The Ultimate 2009 Ralliart Thread mega merge
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If their not here by summer, then it's the gsr for me! I'm really wanting to see the phantom black in person, I've seen the rally red, apex silver and the charcoal gray... I really like the gold flake look of my friends 04 sti! I wonder if the ralliart will be offered in phantom black?
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Power (SAE net): 224 bhp @ 5200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 226 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
TRANSMISSIONS: 4-speed automatic, 5-speed manual
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 103.1 in Length: 173.8-180.3 in Width: 68.5 in Height: 58.1 in
Curb weight: 3150-3200 lb
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST, 5-sp man):
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec
Ralliart
235 hp and 253 lb-ft of torque
Torque (SAE net): 226 lb-ft @ 2800 rpm
TRANSMISSIONS: 4-speed automatic, 5-speed manual
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 103.1 in Length: 173.8-180.3 in Width: 68.5 in Height: 58.1 in
Curb weight: 3150-3200 lb
PERFORMANCE (C/D EST, 5-sp man):
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec
Ralliart
235 hp and 253 lb-ft of torque
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You are right, however... Like I have said somewhere in this thread, If you plan on racing a road course or auto-x often you will be better off with an evo anyway. So your point really isn't a point anyway. I DD my evo and hit a 1/4 mile track once in a blue moon. That is why I will be trading my IX MR for a ralliart. I will never use/need the extra handling of the AYC let alone being able to slip a clutch through turns. The only time I take turns that quick is to have fun and kick it out anyways.
I still have two very big concerns about the Ralliart though. It will need the same internals as the evo. With the information we are aware about now the bottom end is identical to the evo. So far so good. Then there is the tc-sst strength. Since it is in the MR though I can only imagine that it will be strong enough to meet the standards of the IX MR trans. Those are the only two things that could stop me from being the first in line to buy a new Ralliart.
I still have two very big concerns about the Ralliart though. It will need the same internals as the evo. With the information we are aware about now the bottom end is identical to the evo. So far so good. Then there is the tc-sst strength. Since it is in the MR though I can only imagine that it will be strong enough to meet the standards of the IX MR trans. Those are the only two things that could stop me from being the first in line to buy a new Ralliart.
The other thing is S-Sport mode on the SST. I'll be bummed if it's not offered. I won't do it that often, but I want to able to do it every once in awhile. That's part of what's so cool about having AWD: launching hard with little more than a chirp out of the tires. I don't see why they wouldn't offer it with the detuned engine making it less likely to damage the drivetrain.
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I don't know, you say you won't use the extra handling of AYC, but with the curb weight being what it is, it could take some of the fun away even for a DD. I "downgraded" from an MS6 to an MS3 just b/c in large part losing 400 lbs made for a much more fun drive. On the Evo, anyways, the AYC wizardry is apparently compensating for the extra weight. I guess it comes down to driving the thing. Maybe there's enough good Evo IX/X drivetrain and handling hardware on the RA to make it feel lighter than it is. To a lesser degree than if it had AYC but still enough to keep it fun to drive.
The other thing is S-Sport mode on the SST. I'll be bummed if it's not offered. I won't do it that often, but I want to able to do it every once in awhile. That's part of what's so cool about having AWD: launching hard with little more than a chirp out of the tires. I don't see why they wouldn't offer it with the detuned engine making it less likely to damage the drivetrain.
The other thing is S-Sport mode on the SST. I'll be bummed if it's not offered. I won't do it that often, but I want to able to do it every once in awhile. That's part of what's so cool about having AWD: launching hard with little more than a chirp out of the tires. I don't see why they wouldn't offer it with the detuned engine making it less likely to damage the drivetrain.
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Patience, son, at least wait until somebody on these shores test drives the thing before you go putting your MS3 up for sale. 300 lbs is a lot more weight to move in a forward or sideways direction.
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I don't know, you say you won't use the extra handling of AYC, but with the curb weight being what it is, it could take some of the fun away even for a DD. I "downgraded" from an MS6 to an MS3 just b/c in large part losing 400 lbs made for a much more fun drive. On the Evo, anyways, the AYC wizardry is apparently compensating for the extra weight. I guess it comes down to driving the thing. Maybe there's enough good Evo IX/X drivetrain and handling hardware on the RA to make it feel lighter than it is. To a lesser degree than if it had AYC but still enough to keep it fun to drive.
The other thing is S-Sport mode on the SST. I'll be bummed if it's not offered. I won't do it that often, but I want to able to do it every once in awhile. That's part of what's so cool about having AWD: launching hard with little more than a chirp out of the tires. I don't see why they wouldn't offer it with the detuned engine making it less likely to damage the drivetrain.
The other thing is S-Sport mode on the SST. I'll be bummed if it's not offered. I won't do it that often, but I want to able to do it every once in awhile. That's part of what's so cool about having AWD: launching hard with little more than a chirp out of the tires. I don't see why they wouldn't offer it with the detuned engine making it less likely to damage the drivetrain.
You really think the RA will be much lighter? -- the RA seems to be missing several weight-reduced parts, but maybe the AYC and extra structural parts on the Evo tip the scales back the other way.
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CONFIRMED lighter, probably for the reasons you've listed.
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The Ralliart's just 25 kilos lighter than the Evo GSR, and 60 kilos less than the Evo MR. Modifying the Ralliart to push up engine power could also easily push it over the stock weight of an Evo.
The argument was that the AYC is compensating for "extra weight", which didn't make sense, and really seems wrong when the weight differences are less than the weight of an average driver. The Evo has marginally more weight in the rear (f/r=57/43) than the Ralliart (f/r=60/40), but otherwise there's no real difference. Anyway, wouldn't the more balanced weight distribution in the Evo actually improve raw control?
The argument was that the AYC is compensating for "extra weight", which didn't make sense, and really seems wrong when the weight differences are less than the weight of an average driver. The Evo has marginally more weight in the rear (f/r=57/43) than the Ralliart (f/r=60/40), but otherwise there's no real difference. Anyway, wouldn't the more balanced weight distribution in the Evo actually improve raw control?