The Ultimate 2009 Ralliart Thread mega merge
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well, i think that now i should be saying, HUH????
look at the quote of yours i responded to, nowhere in there does it even mention TC-SST. you must be confusing me with someone else's response or you think i am a clairvoyant and can read peoples minds.
Please re-read what i wrote, but in short, i responded to your post about assy. lines and customizing cars so i belive what i wrote is appropriate
if you want to speak about TC-SST, its already out in Japan so obviously there is no issue with the tranny itself, someone in the know, posted that they were just tweaking software, again probably dumbing it down for us americans
look at the quote of yours i responded to, nowhere in there does it even mention TC-SST. you must be confusing me with someone else's response or you think i am a clairvoyant and can read peoples minds.
Please re-read what i wrote, but in short, i responded to your post about assy. lines and customizing cars so i belive what i wrote is appropriate
if you want to speak about TC-SST, its already out in Japan so obviously there is no issue with the tranny itself, someone in the know, posted that they were just tweaking software, again probably dumbing it down for us americans
Packages are necessary to ensure that dealers have stock that can be exchanged between dealers -- most customers don't special-order cars, and the ones that do don't always end up buying the car they ordered. These days, this is a function of the buyers, not the manufacturing process. If a car doesn't sell well enough, the manufacturer can't support as many permutations of the design without ending up with too many unsold oddities at the end of the model year.
When customers are as reliable as just-in-time manufacturing, I'm sure they'll do away with packages -- in the meantime, I'm sure dealers will continue to have plenty of tales of customers who think non-refundable deposits should be refundable, and who special-order cars at multiple dealers to make sure they have a prime personal selection when they decide to buy.
In my perfect world, all cars would be special-order, and all deposits would be non-refundable, but apparently that wouldn't suit the average North American any more than fixed car pricing (which would also make plenty of sense).
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Ok I understand this transmission to a certain degree, my main questions is... Can you launch off the line like a manual, or do you take off like an automatic? Regardless of what anyone says, this transmission is by far superior to any manual! If you actually put things into prospective many of your super cars are now automated.
It does come down to preference, to each their own! Mitsubishi will release a 5 speed as well! I personally no longer feel the need to shift gears, maybe I've outgrown that stage? From all the tests I've seen the MR isn't much slower than the GSR, it's actually faster in road coarse comparisons!
I test drove both the 5 speed manual and CVT GTS and went with the CVT. I've adapted to it's shifting habits in manual mode! It's totally different than a manual transmission, but after toying with the paddles, I truly believe I could out sift any of you driving a GTS with the manual. Just my opinion, but I'm really torn between the RA & base GSR EVO, my hearts telling me to wait for the Ralliart!
It does come down to preference, to each their own! Mitsubishi will release a 5 speed as well! I personally no longer feel the need to shift gears, maybe I've outgrown that stage? From all the tests I've seen the MR isn't much slower than the GSR, it's actually faster in road coarse comparisons!
I test drove both the 5 speed manual and CVT GTS and went with the CVT. I've adapted to it's shifting habits in manual mode! It's totally different than a manual transmission, but after toying with the paddles, I truly believe I could out sift any of you driving a GTS with the manual. Just my opinion, but I'm really torn between the RA & base GSR EVO, my hearts telling me to wait for the Ralliart!
again, i will have to respectfully disagree with you here and say again that in europe for example, cars are customizable, option by option; what it means is that if you want specific combination of vehicle and all the area dealers dont have it, you just order the car and wait for it, (well, i would rather wait a month or 2 or 3 and get exactly what i want than compromise)
I will give you perfect example what these stupid budled packages have done in my case: i am thinking of getting a base X (no sss or aero package), being in the northeast, every car at every dealer i checked has either sss, aero, or both. I just want the base X gsr, nothing else, nothing more, the only thing i would pick as an option would be hids which are part of, you guessed it, a bundled package. So these packages simply dont work well. There are many people out there who feel the same way, just read some posts in the X section.
Lets forget about engine, transmission, color for now and look at "customization". You can divide "options" into ones that can be easily installed by dealer (short shifter, arm rest, floor mats, rear spoiler or exterior garnish pieces, etc) and ones that are better done in factory (hid, rims, seats, special stereo system, ipod interface, intercooler sprayer system, etc)
And now how the system works is that each stocks a few bare base models and few with different factory installed options. Now, you can create full selection by making defferent dealers in the area stock different colors, engine, tranny and factory installed option combinations. There, you covered all engine types, colors, tranny types, factory installed options, the rest is your dealer installed options.. The few times that the perfect car cannot be found, well, then you just have to order from factory and wait for it.
Again, we americans get shafted in many different ways
I will give you perfect example what these stupid budled packages have done in my case: i am thinking of getting a base X (no sss or aero package), being in the northeast, every car at every dealer i checked has either sss, aero, or both. I just want the base X gsr, nothing else, nothing more, the only thing i would pick as an option would be hids which are part of, you guessed it, a bundled package. So these packages simply dont work well. There are many people out there who feel the same way, just read some posts in the X section.
Lets forget about engine, transmission, color for now and look at "customization". You can divide "options" into ones that can be easily installed by dealer (short shifter, arm rest, floor mats, rear spoiler or exterior garnish pieces, etc) and ones that are better done in factory (hid, rims, seats, special stereo system, ipod interface, intercooler sprayer system, etc)
And now how the system works is that each stocks a few bare base models and few with different factory installed options. Now, you can create full selection by making defferent dealers in the area stock different colors, engine, tranny and factory installed option combinations. There, you covered all engine types, colors, tranny types, factory installed options, the rest is your dealer installed options.. The few times that the perfect car cannot be found, well, then you just have to order from factory and wait for it.
Again, we americans get shafted in many different ways
Whoops -- I thought you had quoted a different post of mine -- my bad (and completely justified 'huh?' on your part). I'll try again, responding to what you were actually pointing out.
Packages are necessary to ensure that dealers have stock that can be exchanged between dealers -- most customers don't special-order cars, and the ones that do don't always end up buying the car they ordered. These days, this is a function of the buyers, not the manufacturing process. If a car doesn't sell well enough, the manufacturer can't support as many permutations of the design without ending up with too many unsold oddities at the end of the model year.
When customers are as reliable as just-in-time manufacturing, I'm sure they'll do away with packages -- in the meantime, I'm sure dealers will continue to have plenty of tales of customers who think non-refundable deposits should be refundable, and who special-order cars at multiple dealers to make sure they have a prime personal selection when they decide to buy.
In my perfect world, all cars would be special-order, and all deposits would be non-refundable, but apparently that wouldn't suit the average North American any more than fixed car pricing (which would also make plenty of sense).
Packages are necessary to ensure that dealers have stock that can be exchanged between dealers -- most customers don't special-order cars, and the ones that do don't always end up buying the car they ordered. These days, this is a function of the buyers, not the manufacturing process. If a car doesn't sell well enough, the manufacturer can't support as many permutations of the design without ending up with too many unsold oddities at the end of the model year.
When customers are as reliable as just-in-time manufacturing, I'm sure they'll do away with packages -- in the meantime, I'm sure dealers will continue to have plenty of tales of customers who think non-refundable deposits should be refundable, and who special-order cars at multiple dealers to make sure they have a prime personal selection when they decide to buy.
In my perfect world, all cars would be special-order, and all deposits would be non-refundable, but apparently that wouldn't suit the average North American any more than fixed car pricing (which would also make plenty of sense).
Last edited by pltek; Mar 19, 2008 at 08:37 AM.
I agree with you pltek. All I want for the evo is the spoiler and the hid. And why don't they offer a sun roof on them?
And on the RA I'd just want Recaro, HID, and sun roof. NOTHING ELSE. Hell ship it to me without the stereo for all i care. That will probably be one of the first upgrades.
5 years ago my grandma ordered her Yukon customized from GMC. She added manual 4wd (not electronic), shortened body, dual exhaust, and a custom color. That is an AMERICAN company and they allowed that.
I see both sides... but it just screws the customer in the end.
And on the RA I'd just want Recaro, HID, and sun roof. NOTHING ELSE. Hell ship it to me without the stereo for all i care. That will probably be one of the first upgrades.
5 years ago my grandma ordered her Yukon customized from GMC. She added manual 4wd (not electronic), shortened body, dual exhaust, and a custom color. That is an AMERICAN company and they allowed that.
I see both sides... but it just screws the customer in the end.
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I agree with you pltek. All I want for the evo is the spoiler and the hid. And why don't they offer a sun roof on them?
And on the RA I'd just want Recaro, HID, and sun roof. NOTHING ELSE. Hell ship it to me without the stereo for all i care. That will probably be one of the first upgrades.
5 years ago my grandma ordered her Yukon customized from GMC. She added manual 4wd (not electronic), shortened body, dual exhaust, and a custom color. That is an AMERICAN company and they allowed that.
I see both sides... but it just screws the customer in the end.
And on the RA I'd just want Recaro, HID, and sun roof. NOTHING ELSE. Hell ship it to me without the stereo for all i care. That will probably be one of the first upgrades.
5 years ago my grandma ordered her Yukon customized from GMC. She added manual 4wd (not electronic), shortened body, dual exhaust, and a custom color. That is an AMERICAN company and they allowed that.
I see both sides... but it just screws the customer in the end.
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Went to the dealership today, got to talking with the salesman about the new RA.
Was told that they would be released with the MR and were being delayed due to
's fear of dipping into the GTS sales. Which to me seems a little ridiculous cause not everyone wants to deal with a turbo car.
Turbo+Insurance=
Was told that they would be released with the MR and were being delayed due to
's fear of dipping into the GTS sales. Which to me seems a little ridiculous cause not everyone wants to deal with a turbo car.Turbo+Insurance=
Released with the MR? Now that would be good news.
Yeah, as far as customization goes.. it's a lot simpler and cheaper for the manufacturers to ship out their products in pre-set packages. I, too, remember the days when you could customize your car down to the colour of your headliner (now all you can get is that white'ish/beige colour). You used to be able to choose fabric or leather seating, and then the colour on top of that. Even getting an obscure combination of manual roll-down windows but with power door locks wasn't uncommon.
After reading what's speculated to be the "base" model, I'm quite content with getting just that. FAST key, Bluetooth, Recaro seats (at least according to the Canadian releases) and I'll be quite happy. Would like HIDs and a sunroof, but not totally necessary. Rockford stereo? Like others have said.. if I really wanted a high-end system in my car, I'll choose a high-end system and put it in.
Yeah, as far as customization goes.. it's a lot simpler and cheaper for the manufacturers to ship out their products in pre-set packages. I, too, remember the days when you could customize your car down to the colour of your headliner (now all you can get is that white'ish/beige colour). You used to be able to choose fabric or leather seating, and then the colour on top of that. Even getting an obscure combination of manual roll-down windows but with power door locks wasn't uncommon.
After reading what's speculated to be the "base" model, I'm quite content with getting just that. FAST key, Bluetooth, Recaro seats (at least according to the Canadian releases) and I'll be quite happy. Would like HIDs and a sunroof, but not totally necessary. Rockford stereo? Like others have said.. if I really wanted a high-end system in my car, I'll choose a high-end system and put it in.
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[QUOTE=Taryon;5431832]Released with the MR? Now that would be good news. ....
Or really bad news for the MR! Since the RA Lancer is a 2009 it would be a shock for potential MR buyers expecting the first ones to get to US dealers in the next month or three. It's just salesman BS, I'm sure. At least the salesman appears to know what it was.
Or really bad news for the MR! Since the RA Lancer is a 2009 it would be a shock for potential MR buyers expecting the first ones to get to US dealers in the next month or three. It's just salesman BS, I'm sure. At least the salesman appears to know what it was.
Last edited by desperado-c; Mar 19, 2008 at 05:05 PM.
Went to the dealership today, got to talking with the salesman about the new RA.
Was told that they would be released with the MR and were being delayed due to 's fear of dipping into the GTS sales. Which to me seems a little ridiculous cause not everyone wants to deal with a turbo car.
Turbo+Insurance=
Was told that they would be released with the MR and were being delayed due to
's fear of dipping into the GTS sales. Which to me seems a little ridiculous cause not everyone wants to deal with a turbo car.Turbo+Insurance=
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I mean I know my Mirage is like a death car
I can't believe how much money insurance companies want for an Evo!
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I agree with you pltek. All I want for the evo is the spoiler and the hid. And why don't they offer a sun roof on them?
And on the RA I'd just want Recaro, HID, and sun roof. NOTHING ELSE. Hell ship it to me without the stereo for all i care. That will probably be one of the first upgrades.
5 years ago my grandma ordered her Yukon customized from GMC. She added manual 4wd (not electronic), shortened body, dual exhaust, and a custom color. That is an AMERICAN company and they allowed that.
I see both sides... but it just screws the customer in the end.
And on the RA I'd just want Recaro, HID, and sun roof. NOTHING ELSE. Hell ship it to me without the stereo for all i care. That will probably be one of the first upgrades.
5 years ago my grandma ordered her Yukon customized from GMC. She added manual 4wd (not electronic), shortened body, dual exhaust, and a custom color. That is an AMERICAN company and they allowed that.
I see both sides... but it just screws the customer in the end.