Push up the weight by adding intake/exhaust/ecu mods? Hunh? Probably lighten it. Also, you misstate what I said and then say it doesn't make sense. I said that the AYC is allowing the X (MR since it's the fastest per R&T) to compensate for the 300 lb weight penalty it suffers compared to the IX, not compared to the RA. Perhaps you care to argue that a 300 lb (136 kilo) difference isn't significant? The weight difference b/t the GSR and the RA is irrelevant. [Edited to compensate for irate speed reading of quoted post.]

 

I said it was 60 kilos (RA to MR), and I still don't see how the AYC could be compensating for weight as opposed to weight distribution.

Not sure how an exhaust mod won't raise the weight -- it's a single exhaust pipe back in the stock RA, and aside from the garnishes on the tailpipes and the split after the muffler, the exhaust system looks pretty routine. Presumably the easiest mods would be to split the exhaust farther up or to use a larger pipe, and those would both add weight. Maybe the garnishes are heavier than they look?

 

Right, it compensates for weight by limiting yaw and the corresponding weight transfer, which makes it handle as though it were lighter. Also, yeah, sorry, you did say 60 kilos. I read to fast but I don't know why we're talking about the GSR anyway.

 

Shocked to see nobody's really talking about the fact the the packages for the RA have leaked.

Cheat sheet for those that haven't seen it...

FAST is standard. This is nice. Standard Bluetooth as well.

RECARO™ Sport Package:

RECARO™ sport bucket front seats

650-Watt (max) Rockford-Fosgate Punch® premium sound
system with 9 speaker including 10-inch dual-voice coil subwoofer, custom 20-liter sub-enclosure, digital signal processor, speed compensated volume and equalization.
SIRIUS Satellite Radio with 6 months pre-paid subscription
6 CD/MP3 in-dash changer
Xenon HID Headlamps. (BUT NOT AUTO-OFF APPARENTLY? SEE BELOW, BUT NOTE THAT ON THE PDF, THE NON-HID LIGHTS ARE AUTO STANDARD)

Navigation Premium Package:
30GB HDD Navigation system with music server
Singlle CD/MP3/DVD capable, AM/FM head unit
Auxiliary video input jack
Power glass sunroof with sunshade
Auto rain-sensing wipers
Auto on/off headlamp control

 

Yes, most exhaust mods have larger diameter piping, but the materials in aftermarket parts are usually lighter, especially with exhaust systems. On the Evo 8 and 9 you would lose about thirty pounds by replacing the whole system with lightweight stainless steel, or more with titanium. As with intake mods you would also end up having lighter materials by using aluminum piping and or removing needless parts in the process.

If you would have been looking around the weight reduction thread in the Evo 8 and 9 section you will notice that most aftermarket parts are lighter than stock.

Edit: You can also change to a single tip exhaust system to reduce weight even further like what the Evo X people are doing.

 

here guys i found this. look at the very last sentence. oh and i called MMNA and they told me that the RA should be coming out this summer

http://www.motortrend.com/auto_shows..._ralliart.html

 

If these things sell, look to Cobb to come out with something. But I think it will be based on their work on the Evo X, not the old RA.

 

Stupid to speculate about these things because the car is not still sold anywhere. But yes, when they find out how to crack EvoX ecu, the RA should open up too. The problem is that in RA you have to tune the SST ecu also or the engine goes probably in a limpmode and shuts down. This is speculated in EvoX section about the MR version.

 

Stupid is a little strong. Wistful, superfluous, generally a time-waster, etc. But not really stupid. Anyhow, thanks for the lead. I read the entire thread and enjoyed the very entertaining revisiting of the Burschur/Vishnu smashup. But I gather that the whole reason people are worried about the SST is that VW people are having an ongoing saga with the DSG. Seems to be a matter or overcoming a programmed torque limit. Well, if the same holds true for the SST, then I expect that will discourage smaller companies like Cobb.

 

Ok... Time waste would have been better.

I recon than someone said the limit for EvoX SST torque would be 380lb ft.... 515Nm. If so I think that should be pretty enough for 90%. Even for if they put it with a diesel engine.

 

The Eclipse shows us what Rotor Glow Orange means to Mitsubishi, but there doesn't seem to be a standard for Octane Blue Metallic (pray they don't use what Ford once called that shade of blue -- extremely dull). However, Alfa Romeo has used that name in the past and currently their Brera comes in colours suspiciously similar to Mitsubishi's 'orange' and what used to be called octane blue metallic. Here's the match to the Eclipse and the Brera:

 

That's plenty. So, there's no need to hack the ECU if you don't want to exceed that torque limit? If so, that's a 21% margin. If the RA does comes in at 253 ft/lbs that would give a torque limit of 320 ft/lbs. Also plenty. I'm not planning coming anywhere near that and neither would Cobb in Stage I/II.

 

For me... owning one of these cars is only for the fun factor in the first place. Honestly I'm still torn between the RA and the GSR. Part of me feels that if I get an evo I won't mod it much and if I get an RA I will mod the crap out of it. One of the main reasons I want to mod is because I learn the car better. I become that much more intune with my car and how it works / handles. I learned so much moding my current RA. Piggyback, CAI, P&P IM, UD Pulley, Shifter bushings... I had a lot of fun working on it. Unfortunately I'm DONE DONE DONE with FWD cars. NO MORE. If I'm going to own a car it's going to be AWD or not own one at all. All I use my RA for is to appear proper at business meetings (i own my own business), and to have fun driving. Otherwise it sits in the garage. I've owned it for 6 months and have just now put 2k miles on it. So lame ;p

 

I don't get why they don't let you do these features 1 at a time. Like.. I want a sunroof... but I don't want ANYTHING ELSE from the navigation Premium Package. Soon as I get the car I'll replace with my own receiver. How well will auto-rain sensing wipers really work anyways.

 

Unfortunately, that's not how assembly lines work, and they're not going to ship out custom cars from Japan anyway (at least not anywhere near the price range of the Lancer Ralliart). On the plus side, if the Ralliart's a big seller, they will expand the line, which is just what they have done with the Lancer overall for 2009 -- I count seven or eight basic trim models with two or three package combinations on each. You really can't knock Mitsubishi for giving you about twenty possible Lancers off the assembly line (even more, if you include things like colour, interior, and transmission as choices).

Are there custom receivers/kits that will fit well in a 2009 Lancer? I know it was an incredible pain to customize the receiver in my Mazda Protege ES, at least so that it still looked good. I don't want the dash looking like it's held together with duct tape, but I also think the Nav-receiver looks pretty crappy. On the plus side, the Lancer speakers seem good (was also a pain refitting the Protege with good speakers).