AMBY,
I believe it starts from the ground up.
Not starting with a $1,000,000 transmission and making it cheaper.
There is no cutting corners.
You start here, when your finished, stop.
Viola! TC-SST 6-speed with Normal - Sport - Supersport.
For the Bugatti, Nissan GTR, you just go farther.

I am making the comparison measuring the car's power vs capability.
The debate is based on the question whether or not the TC-SST is durable enough to carry power using the company who designed it for both cars.
There might be a hundreds of designers but none of them are credited as GETRAG for the transmissions even when it's one company doing most TC-SSTs for many other performance cars in question, mind you.

There is a fundamental blueprint for the TC-SST.

Look at the X-MR. We know the rep it carries. We know this car is made for the track. Why put a TC-SST in it when EVERYONE knows that the manual is the only option for racing? While was going bankrupt here in the US, they made a bold move putting this transmission in the US when everyone knew that VW was the king of TC or DCT's.
Yet it still got accepted, although EVO's in general are having a hard time selling, then you get who screws up the equation even more by factoring the new R/A with a TC-SST?
And the launch control? All designed by GETRAG. All inspired by TC-SSTs.
So what if they build a launch control that voids the warranty?

A Bugatti is 1001 hp 0-60 in 2.0 seconds. And you bring up launch control??
The Veyron w/o utilizing launch control gets 2.2sec on the 0-60.

Although that is a slice of the same pie, we are talking about the overall taste of it.
So right now, it's irrelevant to OUR debate on power capabilities for the TC-SST unless, the issues with the TC-SST your speaking of started off with the launch control.
And if that is the course your taking, you should have mentioned that first.

That way it justifies the R/A being here cause it doesn't have launch control.

BRB.
LOL

 

I am 100% certain that Getrag knows without a doubt at what point its transmission breaks. They for certain run it for countless hours under all varieties of load, including enough to see when it explodes. If they do not know the max, then they are really not doing good engineering and testing.

Mitsu knows the numbers, and they know what their engine can make also. IMO they would not put it in the car if it could not handle a substantial amount of power. But as AMBY has pointed out, why the overheating. That is the #1 reason for premature transmission failure. So do the two really match up for the intended purpose?

 

Just to add. There is a difference on how a car is warrantied at 1.5 mill, vs. 30k. The market at 1.5 is very discriminating. If there is a problem it will be fixed and probably for free, or they won't be selling them. There is a certain expectation in spending that much money that the car is bulletproof. Even if you are an idiot owner, there are not many idiots spending 1.5 mill on a car. So any problem is going to be handled to the customers expectations. It has to be that way at that price level.

 

Like I said...ALL aspects of the engine maxed. Boost at its most efficiency without blowing hot air, mivec tuned, high octane, etc.

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...omparison_test

 

It does start from the ground up to an extent, I doubt they took the Veyron transmission and just made it cheaper, but designing a mass produced transmission is far different from designing a supercar transmission. It's entirely possible to design a transmission that can handle thousands of HP. The problem is a transmission of that type will be loud, violent and expensive as hell. Those things aren't a big deal on a supercar because they're a different class of car but on a mass-produced car they're not practical.
Exactly, look at the TC-SST in the MR that is having overheating issues. People are pissed that the car is going into limp mode after a 10 minute track session. It's somewhat damning when you can't even get the TC-SST in the top of the line Evos, the FQ-360 and the FQ-400. Don't you find it somewhat odd that Mitsubishi itself didn't think that was a good idea?
Launch control was not designed by Getrag, that's like saying sex was designed by Paris Hilton.
Again, the Bugatti is not a fair comparison. You might as well try to say that a Ford Focus is a performance car because of the Ford GT. It's a completely different vehicle.

 

Well just look at how many myths there are surrounding the insane warranties of cars like Rolls Royce or Bentley. I remember hearing stories of people complaining about their car Monday afternoon, having a tech team at their door by Monday evening and having the car fixed by Tuesday morning. If I paid 1.5 million for a car and blew the transmission, I would either A. whine and moan since I paid a lot and likely had very good connections or B. not care since I had so much free money I could buy a 1.5 million dollar toy.

 

Again, you cannot escape basic mechanical laws. High HP and a small turbo don't mix. You will see high TQ numbers, but high HP numbers are unlikely. Getting a WRX to over 300 whp is pretty damn hard. Getting a WRX to 300 wtq is quite possible but you still need everything ported, high octane, a good tune and meth injection.

 

say what?
At that price at 1.5mil, it had better be.
But no car isn't bulletproof.
We are talking about the (2nd) fastest production car in the world.
I would expect that if i spent 500k on a Bentley, that it too should have a bullet proof transmission. Although the Bentley isn't made for top speed or handling.
So, factor in the (2nd) fastest car at 1.5mil, I better not pay for s**t.
And for that price I expect full day at the spa with ladies taking care of my needs, followed up at free tickets at Rockin Ring in Germany. And dinner at the Waldorf Astoria . (forget yoyo)

 

The Veyron is only fastest in a straight line and I'm not even sure if that's still true. At a track, it falls back.

 

And AGAIN I understand how a turbo (large or small) will react. Do you want me to make a list of ever possible thing I would do to my RA to gain horsepower? I said ALL aspects of the engine maxed.

 

WRX is getting over 300 WHP with tune, CAI and turboback. Don't know what dyno, so take it for what its worth. 310whp and 335 ft.lbs.

 

Actually the Selby SSC Ultimate Aero is the fastest. There is some good stuff near the end about the VEYRON.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aCmN...eature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvMHS...eature=related

 

Are you going to change the head? The block? If you're doing everything you do before a turbo swap (ie. mods that are cheaper and easier than a turbo swap), you won't hit 300 whp on a good dyno, sorry for the newsflash.

 

That's the new WRX, older WRXs with the TD-04-13T struggle to hit 300 whp even with the 2.5 L block and meth injection. It's simply a byproduct of a small turbo (fast spool, sharp high RPM cutoff) and what HP is (torque related to RPM).