Good point. It will take way more involvement to get 09 WRX power numbers out of the RA. So for maybe $1000 at an 09 WRX you are pushing into 300whp and torque range. If you are talking needing a turbo on the RA then you are getting very involved and expensive?

 

damn.
ok, i have corrected post #339

nice vid. but the music was gay as hell.
+1 and -1 = 0
J/k, that Shelby was very nice, tho.
def pissed off Bugatti.
and it was a manual shifter.

So the 2nd fastest car is a TC-SST.
There you have it.

 

Also why are you comparing the difference of 115 crank hp to the Evo's 107whp. 107whp is probably more along the lines of 150 crank hp. And that's with two mods. Now throw all stock turbo mods at an Evo and you're looking at 385whp.

 

And the Evo has a larger turbo capable of making high HP numbers. Seriously, you don't seem to get it. I'm betting that on a road-mimicking dyno (ie. one that gives an accurate depiction of the power you're making in the real world), the Ralliart is probably putting about 160-180 HP to the wheels stock. To get to 300 WHP on the same dyno, you'd need to almost double the output. That's hard as hell to do. The biggest mod will likely be a TBE and a tune but that will probably just push you over 200 WHP. You now need to make 100 WHP with mods that either do jack all (like an intake) or that do very little in terms of peak power (like an intercooler).

 

So a 3400lb car with AWD and 160-180whp goes 0-60 in 5.4 sec? Give me a break. Your precious new WRX with 230whp and 3100 lbs does it in only .3 of a second quicker (Unless of course you dump the clutch at redline), and with better tires. Does that make any sense to you? The Ralliart has more then you think stock. I believe one thing (that isn't that far out there IMO) and you believe another, so let's just keep our mouths shut until this thing gets tuned.

 

So you really think the Ralliart was underrated? Look at the older WRX with 2.0 L motor. It also had 230ish HP and it *gasp* puts out similar numbers to the Ralliart. AWD is a major advantage is a 0-60 test and can make an otherwise normal car seem extraordinary. How can a car like the Evo with less than 300 HP have a 0-60 less than 5 seconds (in some cases as low as 4.4 seconds)? Look at the 1/4 trap speeds for AWD cars and compare them to the trap speeds of similarly quick FWD or RWD cars, you'll notice a huge disparity.
How will a tuned Ralliart affect this?

 

OK, so the RA is actually 3500 lbs. So if you do the calculations based on time and trap speed, the RA is 238 crank hp. Barely underrated. The WRX is 256 crank hp, a little overrated as it is advertised at 265.

 

Because it means you need to get more power out of the RA compared to the X to get those numbers you are shooting for. The X can barely do it. It is a dyno fact that the MR dynoes 10-20hp less than the GSR. So, to hit your 310-320whp on the RA, you will need to get an average of 15 more hp out of the RA engine compared to the EVO GSR. Since a good EVO GSR is about 330-340whp that means a good MR is 315-325whp which is right in your estimate for the RA. Considering the RA does have some differences with the EVO, mainly turbo and its setup (not swappable) there is NO WAY you are going to get there. To be able to do the same thing with the X, 50% gain, that means the X would need to put down 435 crank HP. Again, even figure 5% loss for powertrain, and you are talking 400-410 whp, that has not yet happpened that I am aware of. You are going to be doing some serious upgrades to do that on the X. So with the known RA deficits compared to the X, that is just going to be WAY optimistic to achieve.

 

i dont think the RA is 3500 lb. I think it is much lighter. Like around 3300lb.

 

Just going by the curb weight listed by C & D. If was was 3300 that would make the HP numbers lower of course. ROBEVO, I like the new logo!! STY!!

 

thanks. I loved STI until i drove the 08.
twice last week.

 

Didn't the 2002-2005 WRX have curb weights of around 3,000-3,050lbs? If so I doubt the RA is putting down the same HP and achieving the same 0-60.

 

It's closer to 3500 than it is to 3300.

 

It's around 3100 lbs or so. Don't forget the way in which HP is rated changed.

 

True. So in that case the old WRX's were making 150whp and the RA's are making 180whp. Either way you look at the RA is still putting down more. You can not argue that it takes more power to move a 3400lb car to 60 then it does to move a 3100lb car to 60 in the same time.