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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 11:42 AM
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Ok, so it's not a rally car but that's what the Ralliart, Evo, STI, and WRX were based off of and just turned into more practical daily drivers. It's like buying a sportbike. They're based off racing bikes but detuned and equiped for daily riding on the street not the track.
No, traditionally the rally cars are based off the production vehicles, not the other way around. Technically speaking, the last Mitsubishi rally car was based off of the Lancer, not the Evo (hence the rather odd body panels). The current iteration is a street car through and through, Mitsubishi left rallying and designed the Evo and Ralliart to be more grown up and civilized, ie. heavier and less rally worthy. Subaru designed the current STI using advice/requests from the rally team (that's part of the explanation as to why they went to a hatchback) but it's still not even close to a rally car.
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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
No, traditionally the rally cars are based off the production vehicles, not the other way around. Technically speaking, the last Mitsubishi rally car was based off of the Lancer, not the Evo (hence the rather odd body panels). The current iteration is a street car through and through, Mitsubishi left rallying and designed the Evo and Ralliart to be more grown up and civilized, ie. heavier and less rally worthy. Subaru designed the current STI using advice/requests from the rally team (that's part of the explanation as to why they went to a hatchback) but it's still not even close to a rally car.
Damn, is there anything you don't know? You're like a walking encyclopedia.
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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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There's a lot I don't know.
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Old Oct 20, 2009 | 01:10 PM
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This thing is when people hear that its got a turbo, they expect it to be fast off the line and to the finnish usually in a straight line cause those are the conditions under which the average consumer judges how fast their car is.. Most folks dont go looking for a twisty windy area to prove that their car is fast. so i think that mitsu dropped the ball with the off the line performance of theh ralli art but mainly cause that sst tranny is not set up for fast of the line take off performance.

Hell manual cars that are launched burn through clutches fast as hell.. teh sst has 2 clutches that are not accessible for replacement so the car is tranny protection. and not off the line speed
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 12:38 PM
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How exactly did this thread turn into a philosophical conversation over what exactly it means to be a rally car?

How about we get back to the topic: Launching a car with SST
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 01:01 PM
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Dude, I don't know but we did get off you're origional topic.

Bottom line is there really isn't a safe way to launch the SST without doing some sort of permanent damage if done repeatedly.
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 01:04 PM
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There's no safe way to launch any car, no matter what car it is, no matter the hardware, launching is a violent action that can and will break something eventually if you do it enough times.
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Old Oct 21, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by lostirc
How exactly did this thread turn into a philosophical conversation over what exactly it means to be a rally car?

How about we get back to the topic: Launching a car with SST
Your question has already been answered:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/7631550-post9.html

If you want to delve deeper, maybe ask some specific questions:

Is anyone developing software that will allow us to disable limp mode?

Does it help to leave ASC or should it be turned off?

Would upgraded clutch plates for the TC-SST help?

Does changing the AWC setting help launching?

Is it better to use Sport mode or manual shifting?

Maybe asking those questions could start you off...
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 03:43 PM
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From what I have researched in the past four months I have come to these conclusions:

Is anyone developing software that will allow us to disable limp mode?
Yes, they are working on it as we speak.

Does it help to leave ASC or should it be turned off?
It is better with it off

Would upgraded clutch plates for the TC-SST help?
Of course it will help but the whole tranny will have to be upgraded also (re-enforced)

Does changing the AWC setting help launching?
This one I'm not sure about

Is it better to use Sport mode or manual shifting?
Depends on your tune and mods that are on your car. There's more to it for this questions but I really don't want to get into it.

As of right now there is a company that has made an upgrade kit for our kind of tranny. They have tested it in the GTR but I don't think they have tested it in our cars yet. Either way, like a couple of guys said already, it is going to cost too much money to either up grade or replace our kind of tranny so just be carefull with it. I personally have launched my car at 3,000 RPMs a couple of times already at the track and so far I haven't had any problems yet or even gone to limp mod but maybe is just that I'm not pushing it too much for the tranny to get hot. Hopefully in the future we will have a solution for this so we can finally take our cars to their full potential.
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 04:50 PM
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please stay on topic
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Old Oct 29, 2009 | 05:19 PM
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The RA,EVO,WRX,STI are all Rally inspired. I hate to think of them as daily drivers thats kind of boring.
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