Are you comparing apples to apples here? If I'm not mistaken, you're running a BBX Lite turbo from CBRD on your Ralliart, so you can't really compare your mileage to a Ralliart with a stock turbo. Also, aren't you using E85 as fuel for your Ralliart??? If so, my understanding is that would reduce your overall mileage as well.....

 

If the ra was a 5 speed I would take one but for now I'm saving for a gsr

 

Answered, if you can drive a 5 speed get a GSR, if you cant or need something semi fuel efficent get a Ralliart.

 

Both tuned, with upgraded turbos, running E85. Same MPG differences (or not) on pump 91 as well.

No sane person buys brake stuff at the dealership.

See reply above.

The RA stock got the same mileage as my Evo stock... wayyyy back when.

I'm actually curious why you guys think the RA should get much better MPG then an Evo?

 

I think that is becasue the RA supposedly has a higher final drive ratio. However, most owners are not buying thier RA or EVO for highway trips.

 

Not really....But if safety is really not your piece of mind then yah put a price on it

 

Evo MR:

1st: 3.655
2nd: 2.368
3rd: 1.754
4th: 1.322
5th: 1.008
6th: 0.775

Final Drive: 4.062

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Evo GSR:

1st: 2.857
2nd: 1.950
3rd: 1.444
4th: 1.096
5th: 0.761

Final Drive: 4.687


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Ralliart:

1st: 3.655
2nd: 2.368
3rd: 1.754
4th: 1.322
5th: 0.983
6th: 0.731

Final Drive 4.062

 

So, according to those numbers, the RA is about 150 rpm lower than the MR and almost 500 rpm lower than the GSR when traveling at 60 mph. Maybe not a huge difference, but significant.

Also, to the person who said that the RA's turbo spools faster than the EVO's: Have you driven the EVO and/or seen the numbers on the twin-scroll turbo?

 

See graphs below. Massive difference in sub 3000 RPM torque between RA and Evo models... which is what matters most to ppl who daily drive/ want street fun.

 

I'm the type who opted instead for a used IX as I require something with lots of options.

I disliked the larger cars mileage which went to hell despite a supposedly more efficient engine. My IX stickers at 19/25 compared to an X at 17/23.

I've heard the ACD flash disables AYC and that's the preferred route for high levels of performance. I've also heard the AYC diff is weaker than the IX diff.
(Thus I don't require AYC and could care less the X has it).

I'm not planning to ever use or require traction/stability control. I come from driving a Cobra on drags in the rain without anything besides ABS. *I* am my traction/stability control.
(Thus I don't care the X has those features)

I've heard issues with the fuel relays and front diff pins on the X. Since the color LCD dash screen looks so much better I couldn't go with a used 08 since it was the ugly red. Screwing with the factory lcd screen was one mod I didn't want to try.
(So if I got an X, it had to be a color screen, which ruled out the cheap used 08s.)

Ra's only came with the SST... Not for me at all. Without a 5spd it was game over and on to the next model. Or in this case an *older* model, an IX. Since Mitsu made the 08s so unattractive by making the 2010+ so much better, it was an obvious choice at that point.

I paid 22,500 for my IX 5spd with a little over 30,000 miles. By forcing an open loop tune, removing the cat to run leaner afrs (15.2-16.0), and doing some basic ignition upgrades to a CDI, I should be reaching if not exceeding 30mpg highway which really is having the cake and eating some too.

Besides by the time these companies screw up the future models so much, a 3500lb X won't seem so bad anyway and they will be used just like my IX when I'm ready for one.

 

That is a horrible comparison.

A. Two different dynos with different loads
B. You have no idea the gear it was tested in
C. No boost plots

 

Its a horrible comparison? Alright sorry... i didn't know different dynos would show different power and torque curves. I was showing the dynos to show when max torque is reached...not caring so much for the numbers. But my bad...

 

Yes the two different dynos, espically the two shown in your examples load the car MUCH differently then each other and will spool the turbos differently. So will different gears.

On a unrelated note, I love your screen name.

 

I dont mean to take sides...

but if you find yourself arguing with Bryan (razorlab).. then normally you aren't considering all of the details.

He is a very ethical, intelligent, and contributing forum member.

cb

 

lol... yes, and Captain Obvious, I really just meant to ask if you had driven both. I, personally, have not driven the new EVO twin-scroll setup, but from everything I have heard, despite being bigger than the RA turbo, the EVO turbo still spools faster and provides a more... engaging... experience.

Oh, but where would you ever find someone who has driven both cars?...