Case study # 31 - ATP Turbo Kit 3071 - Member Az3ar
Originally Posted by gsujeff55
How about i told SOMEONE ELSE about how i thought they were tuning maps on that dynoday and he CALLED ME OUT saying i was starting a war and my facts were not strait.
A simple "no, it was done this way" would have rubbed me much better. I didn't start with questioning his intellegence until that point. I also edited my calling him a name. I shuldn't always type what im thinking i guess.
Where did i say he had a boost leak?
A simple "no, it was done this way" would have rubbed me much better. I didn't start with questioning his intellegence until that point. I also edited my calling him a name. I shuldn't always type what im thinking i guess.
Where did i say he had a boost leak?
. I'm just laughing it out at others expense ... But Az3ar felt that your comments were stirring up the pot and I am sure there are other forum member as well that have taken your comments the same way ... JM2C ... do what you please ... but people will judge you by what you post.
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by rgonyer
I keep reading that Al is such a great guy- I just picked up a '03 stock Evo with the TTM Dynoflash for 93 octane. In my area, we only have 91 for the most part, so I need to get it reflashed. Before doing that, I would like to spend a few hundred bucks and get some parts that will make my car better than stock. I'm figuring a MBC, fuel pump, maybe injectors, air intake. I'm also curious about what gauges to get. I'd like to see around 300whp. I've emailed very specific, lengthy questions to Dynoflash asking for part recommendations and if I get any response, its "mail it back in, instructions on website" without even quoting my original email (I hate ao-hell). So I guess to receive this excellent customer service, you have to call? That's fine, but they should state that on their website. I've fired off several emails to him with little to no success. Email is so much easier as you can reply when you have time without having your ear glued to a phone, but I'll do what it takes - if they would only tell me.
I try to answer every email and PM - but it is hard to do with the volume of inquiries I get on a daily basis. Sometimes, I have to make short and qucik responses to make sure I am able to at least get back to everyone.
The emails which get my attention are ones in which someone is having a problem with my product or a specific technical question.
Please keep in mind - there is a SEARCH function here and 99.999% of these questions have been discussed here by myself dozens of times along with actual dyno sheets posted regarding my flash and the mods in question.
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by EVO MR
Guys,
Help me understand....
All of you (including AL) are bashing the ATP 3071 saying that it isn't making good power, and saying that Myhir should put back on his stock turbo, But from what I see the turbo is performing circles around stock turbo (even the TME). The only mods that Az3ar has on his car are injectors, turbo, and full exhaust set up, please name ONE car with stock turbo, no cams, cam gears or other supporting mods just stock turbo and full exhaust set up making anywhere close the the same power.
He is making the same power as I am on pump with my shiv tuned vishnu stage 1++. Now all Az3ar has to do is supporting mods and that turbo will shine, with cams, gears, and alchol injection he will be well in the 400 horsepower range and the turbo will still be well within its efficiency range. As for stock turbo pushing enough boost to produce those #'s will be pushing its limits (if not at its limit)
Al, I don't understand how you can say that any car with upgraded turbo should be making 400 awhp easy, do you expect someone to just slap on a GT35 with no other supporting mods and produce those numbers? I don't think it can happen! (but hey, I am no expert). If this turbo is such a "weak as turbo" then why is vishnu using it in their stage 2 turbo kit, yes it will have a different hot side but basically the same turbo with an adapter plate to mate it to factory manifold. If the ATP hotside is so bad you would think it would have trouble boosting and holding it. Well as you can see Az3ars turbo is boosting just fine, holding it steady to redline, and spooling pretty quick. Help me understand the flaw in the hotside if his car is doing all this.
Shiv, during the GA dyno day I do feel that by the end of the night you were getting tired, as were myhir and I. but we did not get the same treatment as the rest of the people. 1. Seth let another member jump in front of us on the dyno after we had been there from the time it opend and signed up way before him, did we complain NO. 2. You road tested EVERYONES car after the dyno tune, but as soon as you were done with my dyno you vanished and Andrew had to road test the car with me (I do appreciate it andrew, I just figured the person who tuned that car would want to road test it to make sure there were no hicups) then after Myhirs tune you jumped out of the car and left for hooters with seth before his car was even off the dyno. Although I am happy with my tune myhir and I were both a little disappointed that we didn't get the same treat ment, again we let it go and did not complain.
I am not trying to start a war with anyone, this is just my 3rd person perspective of the situation.
I'm just glad myhirs car is now running the way he wanted it to.
Chris
Help me understand....
All of you (including AL) are bashing the ATP 3071 saying that it isn't making good power, and saying that Myhir should put back on his stock turbo, But from what I see the turbo is performing circles around stock turbo (even the TME). The only mods that Az3ar has on his car are injectors, turbo, and full exhaust set up, please name ONE car with stock turbo, no cams, cam gears or other supporting mods just stock turbo and full exhaust set up making anywhere close the the same power.
He is making the same power as I am on pump with my shiv tuned vishnu stage 1++. Now all Az3ar has to do is supporting mods and that turbo will shine, with cams, gears, and alchol injection he will be well in the 400 horsepower range and the turbo will still be well within its efficiency range. As for stock turbo pushing enough boost to produce those #'s will be pushing its limits (if not at its limit)
Al, I don't understand how you can say that any car with upgraded turbo should be making 400 awhp easy, do you expect someone to just slap on a GT35 with no other supporting mods and produce those numbers? I don't think it can happen! (but hey, I am no expert). If this turbo is such a "weak as turbo" then why is vishnu using it in their stage 2 turbo kit, yes it will have a different hot side but basically the same turbo with an adapter plate to mate it to factory manifold. If the ATP hotside is so bad you would think it would have trouble boosting and holding it. Well as you can see Az3ars turbo is boosting just fine, holding it steady to redline, and spooling pretty quick. Help me understand the flaw in the hotside if his car is doing all this.
Shiv, during the GA dyno day I do feel that by the end of the night you were getting tired, as were myhir and I. but we did not get the same treatment as the rest of the people. 1. Seth let another member jump in front of us on the dyno after we had been there from the time it opend and signed up way before him, did we complain NO. 2. You road tested EVERYONES car after the dyno tune, but as soon as you were done with my dyno you vanished and Andrew had to road test the car with me (I do appreciate it andrew, I just figured the person who tuned that car would want to road test it to make sure there were no hicups) then after Myhirs tune you jumped out of the car and left for hooters with seth before his car was even off the dyno. Although I am happy with my tune myhir and I were both a little disappointed that we didn't get the same treat ment, again we let it go and did not complain.
I am not trying to start a war with anyone, this is just my 3rd person perspective of the situation.
I'm just glad myhirs car is now running the way he wanted it to.
Chris
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by IE Evo
Bottom line is with a successful business many will have to wait as Al and Shiv all have priorities that must be dealt with first. Be patient and get a fast good runnin car. Both tuners are not going to hit a homerun every tune so if u so happen to get the foul ball type tune be patient and step up to the plate when they are available and at least get on base.
I am not trying to demoize anyone. The only reason why I even posted this in the first place was becuase a year ago this very customer was used as a "example" of a poor dyno flash result when he had a temporary base flash I gave to him to use for 2 weeks till I could get to LA. At the time I felt it was unfair to use that flash as an example as it was provided only as a temporary solution and without even the benefit of any experience with that particular turbo. In some way i felt vindicated when the same customer returned - some time later - to get the flash I was supposed to do a year ago. I feel very lucky to have met the customer as he is a particularly warm and kind individual and as I said before it was nice to see someone whoes wife supports his hobby so much.
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by rgonyer
I am patient. My Evo has been sitting in my garage getting dusty with the last remaining 1/4 tank of 93 octane in it from when I bought it almost 2 weeks ago. I started emailing him before I even bought the car, and the best reply I got was something along the lines of "yes you need reflash for 91, instructions on site". No mention of which mild mods would be best in his expert opinion. From reading his replies on these forums, he certainly seems like he has time to reply and I like most of his replies, they are professionally worded and to the point. For some reason he won't reply to emails.
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Originally Posted by EVO MR
Shiv, during the GA dyno day I do feel that by the end of the night you were getting tired, as were myhir and I. but we did not get the same treatment as the rest of the people. 1. Seth let another member jump in front of us on the dyno after we had been there from the time it opend and signed up way before him, did we complain NO. 2. You road tested EVERYONES car after the dyno tune, but as soon as you were done with my dyno you vanished and Andrew had to road test the car with me (I do appreciate it andrew, I just figured the person who tuned that car would want to road test it to make sure there were no hicups) then after Myhirs tune you jumped out of the car and left for hooters with seth before his car was even off the dyno. Although I am happy with my tune myhir and I were both a little disappointed that we didn't get the same treat ment, again we let it go and did not complain.
Shiv
You know what, I am glad that this happened to my car. I just saw the real faces of some people on these forums. It's sad when you know them in person, when you talk to them and you feel that they are great people and how lucky we are to own an EVO. I am very disappointed with you Shiv and some of the Vishnu guys. I have never badmouthed anyone but I have said the truth and my thoughts out loud. If you can't take this from a customer then fine it's your loss not mine. I will always find a tuner to tune my car period but you will never find loyal customers everyday.
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Az3ar is really a special kind of guy and conducts himself with a very respectful manner. Also, he is very lucky to have a really cool wife who also enjoys his evo hobby. Its a pleasure to be of service to him.
Originally Posted by EVOtagger
i dont see anything that shiv said that was so bad...he apologized to you numerous times in this thread 

Not everything is on the forums some things go under the table.
Originally Posted by robertrinaustin
You must be smoking crack! You need to reread all the crap he posted about you the first time. This is like Kevin part II. Nothing against Az3 because I think all involved have handled this as well as can be expected, but that certainly wasn't the case for your first go round.
I admit. and I will make things better.
I am sorry Al for what I have said in the past. in fact it's time to delete everything I have posted about him.
are you happy now
My how fast allegiances change when everything doesnt go right. Shiv has appologized, what more can he say? If you had merely talked to him before leaving this problem would have never came up. i think any proper businessman would have handled the situation the same way. One cant upset 10 appointments to help one customer, regardless of how far they have driven. he said he would help you afterwards and you chose to leave.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Read my other post regarding this on this thread. Make a seperate thread on this question or do a search. I ONLY provide free consultation on which mods to buy from those customers actually purchasing mods from Dyno Flash. I sell just abot every mod you can imagine. Those who merely want to pick my brain - - POST YOUR QUESTION ON HERE - so hopefully others will read the asnwers and so a search in the future. Its tough when I have 3 seperate emails in a row asking me which bov sounds the loudest and NONE of the people asking intend to buy any of them from me. I can't stay in business answering your questions about which cams you should buy from the Lancer Shop - for example.
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I'd also like to get a full custom tune from you as well, when you are at either Chicago, St. Louis, or MN. I'll post a thread as you suggested.Thanks
Robb
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Originally Posted by Az3ar
I admit. and I will make things better.
I am sorry Al for what I have said in the past. in fact it's time to delete everything I have posted about him.
are you happy now
I am sorry Al for what I have said in the past. in fact it's time to delete everything I have posted about him.
are you happy now



