OUCH >>>>>

 

Oh good i cant wait. I got the ATP with GT35/40R kit that will be tuned on the 5th of August so this will be a great comparison! Any bets?

 

Thank you Dave Buschur for clarifying those points.

It seems the Buschur Series of turbos has the potential to carry you all the way into the 8's if that is where you are headed.

 

I was thinking the very same thing.

- Steve

 

Oh good i cant wait. I got the ATP with GT35/40R kit that will be tuned on the 5th of August so this will be a great comparison! Any bets?

Yea sure. Your dyno or mine?
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Whatever you want man. I will be dynoing on a Dynojet dyno. What about you? Make sure you get all the sheets for your different maps. Ill be running around 24psi on 93 octane and around 28-29 psi on c16. Good Luck

 

You know what's funny. I am still confused? I know you are saying tubular manifolds crack and the cast manifolds are rock solid. The BR kit then has a cast manifold. Is that right? All this talk of ATP, AMS, and BR is driving me C-R-A-Z-Y. As a consumer, I would obviously want a kit that can be proven on the dyno as well as on the street. I myself wouldn't drag race the car therefore dyno numbers on race gas really isnt an option for me. However, I would like to run the optimum amount of boost that is safe for a long lasting motor. I would like to know those numbers if possible. I would challenge somebody to make a comparison chart of the different kits using the same constants (upgrades) for street use other than the turbo kits. I believe this would be a great tool for any consumer looking to buy a kit. Can anyone post numbers using nothing but the same dyno and parts with the different turbo kits? The proof is in the pudding. You guys are great! Keep up the discussion.

 

Great, I can't wait to see which dyno wins.

 

What you're asking will probably never happen. And even if it did, would that make it conclusive? No. There are to many factors involved, like dyno conditions and tuning.

I don't think there is any one turbo kit that is the best. I think they are all good. All these shops have tested them with good results, they wouldn't be in business selling them if they hadn't. With the right supporting mods and tuning, you will have a nice setup no matter what kit you choose.

You should be looking more at the shop than the kit. How long have they been in business? How do they treat their customers? Do they stand by their products? How much/long have they spend on R&D? To me these things are the most important, they ensure you are getting the most for your money.

 

That is very true. And i would rather not bad mouth certain shops but all i can say is i have had bad experience with certain named vendors. Now to hear about some good customer service i just got off the phone with ATP which they took the liberty to call me and ask me how everything went. If there were any problems or if they could do anything at all. That is good customer service to me. Out of know where they called me just to check and make sure thigns went ok.
Once agian let me praise ATP for all there great products and unbeatable customer service!!!

 

It has a lot has to do with the tunning. You can have two of the same cars with similar mods making different power. I decided to go with Buschur because of the manifold and his expiernce with the 4G63. I am sure the ATP kit is good just not what I wanted. I will post the numbers as soon as I get them. I use a DYNOJET awd DYno....

 

Come on, got to do better than that. Slowbaru wagons run those times:

http://autospeed.com/cms/A_2217/article.html

8.88@154mph

 

RWD, auto... nitrous?

 

I understand what you are saying, but what I am asking is for a turbo kit that doesnt have to run 30psi to make 500WHP on race fuel. I am not expecting to run that on the street, but it sure would help to know at conservative boost levels on pump gas with basic mods. As far as looking at the reputation of the shop, it is apparent that there are irreconcilable differences between these reputable shops. I have heard of all these vendors and is not knew to me. Unfortunately, none are located in my area. I cant see and touch the parts. I would assume they are of qaulity since R&D was used before they spent thousands of dollars manufacturing these kits. Like I heard once before, "opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one." Basically, you are saying to pick a turbo from a hat and I'll be happy with it. If thats the case, why would I want to spend the extra money on a kit if I can get the same performace for one thats $1000 less. Then that would bring the next question of why would any one want to throw themselves out of the market and overcharge. I am sure there are differcences. It cant be exact but spool up is important to. I dont want 400HP if it takes 5k rpms to spool the thing up either. What turbo do you recommend and why?

 

Something I don't understand is you guys post HP figures all on race gas. Why not post some HP figures on pump gas? I understand the safety margin they provide but I would like to see what all the 500 HP (race gas) provide on pump gas because it is what I run. I also find it very unprofessional for the supposed professionals to be arguing like kids on the internet. I'm a EVO owner/fan. I just like to see the results of testing of turbos/suppension setups/etc on street capable setups ie: pump gas, DOT tires etc... Lets keep to the subject and just provide proof! jeez, I didn't come here to read theories on dyno conversions and possible turbo HP outputs.

thank you,

bryan

ps: keep the standalone graphs to yourselves because all I got is my POS mitsu ecu