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Old May 27, 2006 | 07:04 PM
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So that means depending on what gear you are in 260% can mean 23psi or 18 psi depending on conditions, such as airflow maf is seeing, and temperature changes and gear you are in?
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Old May 27, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by taenaive
1 bar is the map the map sensor we have on intake manifold. it doesn't read any higher. And using ECU Flash, we have no control over MAP sensor so we should just ignore that MAP.

MAF reading is not the direct measure of PSI. My car flows much more air than stock at the same PSI. Therefore, it gives more load value and more power at the same psi. MAF value will max out where you make the most horse power( when it flows the most air)
So how the hell do you determine what cell block you are sitting in? There is no way because too many conditions then?
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Old May 27, 2006 | 07:09 PM
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ic see what you are saying tae.

again, like my first post said it is an in terms of psi vs load it is an approximation to help people understand whats going on.

I have a good idea on how to determine for sure whats going on with the load, on monday ill hook up my datalogging equipment and try to figure it out.

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Old May 27, 2006 | 07:16 PM
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the load percent correlates to MAF freq + whatever correction factors the ecu puts in due to other sensors.

Unfortunately our human minds think in terms of boost, and that's why my chart was divided in that manner. It may not be 100% accurate, but it is close enough to give an understanding of what's going on to enable you to tune the car.
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Old May 27, 2006 | 07:29 PM
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All I can contribute to the load question is that with Mercedes it is a calculated figure that has something to do with manifold presure,air flow, rpm and throttle position. It can be veiwed in actual values so mitsu may very well allow it to be veiwed in theirs. the engine even at idle has some load on it and it can be surprisingly high.
a small amount of pedal travel has a large effect on load, for eg. 50% load isnt 50% throttle its closer to 1/8 on a naturaly aspirated engine. I havent had a chance to check on a supercharged or turbo engine yet

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Old May 27, 2006 | 07:46 PM
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ic see what you are saying tae.

again, like my first post said it is an in terms of psi vs load it is an approximation to help people understand whats going on.

I have a good idea on how to determine for sure whats going on with the load, on monday ill hook up my datalogging equipment and try to figure it out.

That would be great. Thanks for the response.
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Old May 27, 2006 | 08:10 PM
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check out this site
http://fordfuelinjection.com/?p=4
it also looks like pretty good reading for info on the basics of engine managment. not evo specific but take away some basic ideas


http://apps.bosch.com.au/motorsport/...htip0505_1.pdf

this leads me to believe that load is a air flow referance which would make sense. is it possible that the load #s are a near direct estimation of volumetric efficancy base on maf and map sensors? for eg. at the 200 % load portion of the map the calculations are estimating 4 liters of air are flowing through the engine for every 1 combustion cycle

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Old May 27, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by andenbre
check out this site
http://fordfuelinjection.com/?p=4
it also looks like pretty good reading for info on the basics of engine managment. not evo specific but take away some basic ideas


http://apps.bosch.com.au/motorsport/...htip0505_1.pdf

this leads me to believe that load is a air flow referance which would make sense. is it possible that the load #s are a near direct estimation of volumetric efficancy base on maf and map sensors? for eg. at the 200 % load portion of the map the calculations are estimating 4 liters of air are flowing through the engine for every 1 revolution

Ok that is very understandable. So all you can do is guestimate and just hope your are in the right cell range for a given rpm and load point.
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I think that if you can data log airflow and compare it to rpm you will have an idea of load and be able to know where on the map you are at.

boost level could be used I suppose at 0 bar and up as a rough estimate of load 95% and up. it will not be exact but may be reasonably close

at less than 0 bar things change and you are referancing vacuum, which could get tricky


If I am off on any thing I have said please let me know. I would rather be told I am wrong than spread false info.

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that's my plan + a few other things
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Old May 27, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by EFIxMR
that's my plan + a few other things
that will be great
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Old May 27, 2006 | 09:39 PM
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Sorry to throw the discussion in a different direction but some of us are far beyond the stock boost limits, I push 28psi daily but with the 260% load= 23psi how can we change the entire table to higher loading
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Old May 28, 2006 | 09:39 AM
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the 9 ecu is good cause it goes to 300% from the factory useing a larger map with more columns.
not sure if they can be rescaled. that would be nice if they can
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Old May 28, 2006 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by dryad001
Sorry to throw the discussion in a different direction but some of us are far beyond the stock boost limits, I push 28psi daily but with the 260% load= 23psi how can we change the entire table to higher loading

I like to know as well.
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Old May 28, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by andenbre
...for eg. at the 200 % load portion of the map the calculations are estimating 4 liters of air are flowing through the engine for every 1 revolution
200% load would be 2 liters per revolution. The engine only displaces 1 liter of air per revolution.
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