FP RED dyno results thread
When you misinterpret my saying yes you are, you should also not say things I have neither implied nor mentioned whatsoever, no one is upset.
You can use any sort of metric devices and or dataloggers, I do my own mapping and I do datalog myself, I also use metric instruments where it is needed, and I have used the dyno and will do in the future if it is necessary as the above mentioned are aiding tools to achieve the desired result and all this means nothing when you take your car out in the road with other drivers driving their setups and you come up short of what you should have. You can also ask them to switch places and re-check them up if that is of such concern of yours. A straight line is a straight line, and any evo driver that knows his car and knows how to drive, the above drivers I mentioned are all very capable in their driving.
What matters is the road and the times you do on a dragstrip, period.
Marios
You can use any sort of metric devices and or dataloggers, I do my own mapping and I do datalog myself, I also use metric instruments where it is needed, and I have used the dyno and will do in the future if it is necessary as the above mentioned are aiding tools to achieve the desired result and all this means nothing when you take your car out in the road with other drivers driving their setups and you come up short of what you should have. You can also ask them to switch places and re-check them up if that is of such concern of yours. A straight line is a straight line, and any evo driver that knows his car and knows how to drive, the above drivers I mentioned are all very capable in their driving.
What matters is the road and the times you do on a dragstrip, period.
Marios
People are just trying to tell you that the FPred has been tested and beaten to death on 1000+ different setups by all sorts of shops and people know what it is PHYSICALLY capable of due to data being posted an confirmed from multiple people. Your claims are simply you saying "trust me, its possible" and then trying to discredit others simply because they don't believe you.
Even using the smallest cams possible, uber mivec settings, 4th gear for more load (or even more weight in the car, when testing on an actual road of course), and adding restrictions elsewhere that increase spool (but decrease power) you still won't get that spool characteristic out of that size of a turbo on a mitsu motor.
I think your way of measuring spool is just different than others. Maybe that is when it starts making positive pressure, sure that is possible but not full spool without massive surge/bucking etc as the motor itself cannot consume that much air at that low of an RPM anyway.
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It sounds like you actually don't know when boost threshold is reach, you're simply going off of how even it stays with other cars. There are a lot shops that use these turbos, shops that know what they're doing. I have a hard time believing that they would leave as 500+ rpms of earlier spool up on the table if there was an actual way to do make the turbo spool that early.
Also, brake boosting doesn't count.
And, if you're truly made 32 psi at 2900, the amount of compressor surge you would get would be insane. My stock turbo surges a bit when it spikes 28psi at 3450rpm. Also the stock block would not play well with the torque that would produce..
Also, brake boosting doesn't count.
And, if you're truly made 32 psi at 2900, the amount of compressor surge you would get would be insane. My stock turbo surges a bit when it spikes 28psi at 3450rpm. Also the stock block would not play well with the torque that would produce..
Listen buddy, I can spend all night here argueing with you but I am not going to do it. What you have seen or you or anyone else you know can do obviously has nothing to do with my example. You can actually look into it or you can just dismiss it. The physics is there, 500+ rpm is very achievable, trust me or not lol.
I have been into motorsport and tuning 20years, I know my stuff lol. Surging is also fixable, up to a great degree although I did not managed to eliminate completely and it had very very little on fourth.
I never boost break, if by boost break you mean using the clutch.
Marios
Right, because English Racing, Buschur, and STM are clearly missing something to get their FP red setups to spool faster.
post a data log and I'll believe you. Other wise you're spreading bad info that someone will read and then buy a turbo that they think will spool at 2900 and be very disappointed when it spool at 4k+ on their stock block..
post a data log and I'll believe you. Other wise you're spreading bad info that someone will read and then buy a turbo that they think will spool at 2900 and be very disappointed when it spool at 4k+ on their stock block..
Right, because English Racing, Buschur, and STM are clearly missing something to get their FP red setups to spool faster.
post a data log and I'll believe you. Other wise you're spreading bad info that someone will read and then buy a turbo that they think will spool at 2900 and be very disappointed when it spool at 4k+ on their stock block..
post a data log and I'll believe you. Other wise you're spreading bad info that someone will read and then buy a turbo that they think will spool at 2900 and be very disappointed when it spool at 4k+ on their stock block..
I manage a claim denials team for a hospital, so I have an ebb and flow in work load. In an ebb right now, and I'm all caught up. So I hang around to answer any questions my team might have..
You can call it whatever the **** you want buddy, and you can also believe whatever the hell you want to believe, reality ain't gonna care. Just because you cannot do it or because you have not seen it done, it does not mean it is impossible to be done. A word of advice, instead of dismissing what I claim to have done according to you, you should try it and see if you can do it yourself.
*And something as a side note on the matter, know that an intended boost threshold under real conditions and simulated ones (dynometer) differs, it is covered faster and on an earlier point on the powerband on the road, due to a significant difference in loading and frictional conditions. Difference could be from 300rpm up to even 1000rpm on very high end applications.
Marios
*And something as a side note on the matter, know that an intended boost threshold under real conditions and simulated ones (dynometer) differs, it is covered faster and on an earlier point on the powerband on the road, due to a significant difference in loading and frictional conditions. Difference could be from 300rpm up to even 1000rpm on very high end applications.
Marios
Prove to this community its achievable and you will make a million bucks i guarantee it! You claim to use all the tools for tuning so how hard is it to screenshot a log of your claims and put us skeptics in our place?
FP reds have been done a million times but ive never seen a result like the 1 you are claiming.
I call bull**** because.
A# a stock block 2L motor ain't gunna be capable of swallowing 32psi of air from a 59lb turbo at 2900rpm without it surging its nuts off.
B# a stock block 4G would have more pistons outside the block than inside it with the kinda torque an FP red would be producing at that kinda boost that low in the RPM range.
I hope 1 of the ACTUAL tuners in here that ACTUALLY share their work and real world results on these forums reads this and gives their $0.02 on your claims!
Last edited by Mick_O; Jan 10, 2015 at 03:01 PM.
I think it spools OK. Great for a street car but a stock turbo it ain't. You lose that instant torque hit of the stock turbo but being able to hold 30PSI REALLY wakes it up in the Upper RPM's. I love this turbo and this or a Black is perfect or a 2.4 and a BB Green if you want to be silly.
Last edited by High_PSI; Feb 16, 2025 at 09:42 AM.
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