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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 11:41 AM
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I'm surpised no one has brought this up...

TTP's dyno reads high we all know that, but what about CFT (Central Florida Turbo) they are one of TTP's competitors. They also have a MD which reads high. People have pointed out TTP is doing this for a marketing stand point which I agree 100%. Since TTP has another shop right down the road from them that also has a MD, that also reads high, and you get a customer that doesn't no anything about these cars but just wants a nice dyno sheet. Who do you think they are going to go to?

I can see now why he doesn't want to fix his dyno. It will hurt his buisness not just EvoM community but the Evo community in Florida.
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon Tuning
yep, trap speed and race weight is what tells the story in my opinion, but sometimes the weights are unknown or reported incorrectly. A shame the various dynos don't all read the same, it makes it really hard to compare performance.

Scott, do you agree that your dyno is reading higher than the majority of the other MD on this forum? and if so, has anyone at MD been able to explain to you the reason why your dyno may be reading that way.

If I paid good money for a dyno and it was reading too high or too low compared to the majority I'd be very interested in fixing it so keep people from questioning your numbers so much. I think it's getting to the point where people associate your shop with "high reading dyno" and that's not a good thing for you
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WCF in the heat of summer can read higher than uncorrected MD, but lower than DJ.

WCF in the winter will read lower than an uncorrected MD.

Uncorrected for this car is 708-713whp.

curious why this was avoid?
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Show286
I'm surpised no one has brought this up...

TTP's dyno reads high we all know that, but what about CFT (Central Florida Turbo) they are one of TTP's competitors. They also have a MD which reads high. People have pointed out TTP is doing this for a marketing stand point which I agree 100%. Since TTP has another shop right down the road from them that also has a MD, that also reads high, and you get a customer that doesn't no anything about these cars but just wants a nice dyno sheet. Who do you think they are going to go to?

I can see now why he doesn't want to fix his dyno. It will hurt his buisness not just EvoM community but the Evo community in Florida.
no one really cares whether TTP changes the settings or not...the community just wants comparable data that TTP's results are within line or totally off the wall as they seem to be

or just admit that it does read higher than 90% of mustang dyno's if TTP is unwilling to have the machine re-calibrated or hop on a dynojet for arguments sake
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by shunderwunder
^ Thats another good point. The track times were not with a "ringer" driver
You don't need a "ringer" to get a trap speed.

TTP was referencing that guy because he weighs a lot less than Scott does which could squeeze some extra MPH out of the car.

To be fair, TTP does say that the car wasn't 100% when they ran it, so it probably has a little more MPH in it through the 1/4.

The discussion has shifted to be more about the trap speed (an indicator of a car's power) and less about the ET (and indicator of a good driver and strong car)

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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:01 PM
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GSRBOI,
How did you come up with MPH is cube root of HP/Weight times the constant 234?

Please... derive your equations from worldwide accepted constants and equations.

You have not shown me anything related to physics yet. You solved a middle school level mathematics equation.
They are world wide accepted formulas there is no trickery. A 2 min seach will open up a wealth of knowledge on automotive caluculations. This stuff has been out there for a long time. Long before you and me and are NEW to the automotive world EVO's. There is no new spin on anything rodders have been using these calculations for ages.

YOUR RIGHT DUDE I JUST MADE IT UP

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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by batty200
In order to setup those equations requires a lot more math than anyone on this site could do in any appreciable amount of time but you can simply search online and see any # of thousands of websites that will tell you this is the formula. Just as you would be unable to produe a proof for the F=MA formula in any way doesnt mean it is not right.
Thank You. At least somebody has thier head on
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:16 PM
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Are you telling me you're questioning Newton's 2nd law of Motion?
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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ugh, can't we move the mathematics debate somewhere else
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:22 PM
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GSRBOI,
you need to derive this equation to see if it uses any non-standardized constants. IE... we chose this random number to mutiply against our output to match up with what "we think" is the right number.

In any case there is going to be a lot of approximations in this calculator.... I'd like to see how they derived this equation.

If you're using it and you don't know how it calculates MPH... then you might as well be shaking a magic 8 ball.

I believe the saying is ignorance is bliss?

Find out how that equation was derived.... or better yet how and who derived it.
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:26 PM
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I'm doing my best to stay out of this thread. I have to clear up some of the BS that is getting too deep. On page 19 someone posted about the car we dyno'd today. You can NOT compare that car to TTP's. First off Nick's car is truly full weight, had exhaust, had a wing, has a full roll cage, has stock seat belts and harnesses, has a full interior, has strut tower bars, sway bars, sound deadener, air bags, etc and the biggest reason you can't compare the two is the car has 3.73 gears which kill ET and MPH.

Next up is TTP's out of line comments about me not being on Mellon's butt about his records he set and it being because he is running my engine. That is not true. First off I am not on anyone's butt in this thread over a record, there has been no record set that I can see, ET and MPH are mediocre. Mellon did not post some mythical dyno numbers to gain attention, that is why I didn't bust his ***** over his records.

Wake up.

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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:31 PM
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Sorry Mellon,
Back on topic. TTP's "record" should not be upheld until they prove their dyno numbers on BVP, Stage 6, Mase, Titan, or AWD Motorsports' dyno. (assuming these are all awd)

Otherwise I want to claim I made 770 on a 35R framed turbo on a Mustang Dyno... or Like Emery said... "looks like my stock block Evo made 800whp"
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:39 PM
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I don't recall any car on stock ecu running more than 143mph trap or quicker than 10.1 ET. Unless i'm mistaken this car has the record for stock ecu trap & ET.

Scott said that he couldn't get a clean pass, which is something very common with highly modded evo's. He set a very respectable time for stock ecu right from his first night out.

Let's just say this car is very impressive as far as stock ecu is concerned, and wait for some more track outings until we can judge on the trap speed & et time.
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Oh brother Im done here too. Me and my magic 8-Ball will march back to fantasy land.

Good luck TTP with your car looks like your gonna need it everytime you post a thread if you dont change your dyno to reflect closer to the other mustang dyno's out there.

Or you can just paint Dynojet on it and be done I guess.

Reason my car will never see a dyno EVER. No need
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
I'm doing my best to stay out of this thread. I have to clear up some of the BS that is getting too deep. On page 19 someone posted about the car we dyno'd today. You can NOT compare that car to TTP's. First off Nick's car is truly full weight, had exhaust, had a wing, has a full roll cage, has stock seat belts and harnesses, has a full interior, has strut tower bars, sway bars, sound deadener, air bags, etc and the biggest reason you can't compare the two is the car has 3.73 gears which kill ET and MPH.

Next up is TTP's out of line comments about me not being on Mellon's butt about his records he set and it being because he is running my engine. That is not true. First off I am not on anyone's butt in this thread over a record, there has been no record set that I can see, ET and MPH are mediocre. Mellon did not post some mythical dyno numbers to gain attention, that is why I didn't bust his ***** over his records.

Wake up.
i was trying to stay out of here too, but since you posted this i will have to say something out about it too. You only stay behind your own people or who ever runs your engine, WE all know that. You and Mike got on my *** about me making 6.6 @111 pass while i was running 700hp then. Mike specially was on my *** about it, then ,lol what about a month later mellon same power does almost same 1/8 mile lil slower and guess what NOTHING from you or mike saying **** about his time.

This thread can go on for ever, Evey one asking TTP to re dyno it seems it wont happen, so I dont know why people are still asking or telling him to redyno the car. If he was planing too he would have already said YES, so just leave it alone. As far as we know in USA he did set the highest MPH record and ET so so just leave it at that.
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Old Nov 9, 2009 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Mellon did not post some mythical dyno numbers to gain attention, that is why I didn't bust his ***** over his records.

Wake up.
Mellon posted 705whp and 139mph traps. We posted 763wcf and 713 no correction with 143.3mph traps. There is nothing mystical about that.
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