CurseDSM

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Fp black isn't even in the same ball park as this turbo. Say what you will about it but this turbo is much much bigger then the black. With everything done on the wheels this thing doesnt spool that bad. I mean yeah it is a little laggy from a dig or from low rpm but this statement is like someone running a stock evo turbo or a evo3 and going to a 35r and saying wtf its laggy.

Levar

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I see your point but bigger does not equate to bigger. It is all about performance. I am just glad that the FP Black now has a suitable rival as it had the market locked up when it came to stock-framed turbos.

tscompusa2

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more info on that evo in here https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...no-inside.html

now his goal is to beat that evo from a roll .. roll i can see it happening but not a dig.. the drivers to talented to get beat from a dig. hes taken out 9 second GTR's on the street already.

tscompusa2

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I didn't see it myself, but according to multiple people that did at the shootout, the compressor wheel on the ef4 is larger then the fp black's so it makes sense to be laggier. you are right tho, it is a good bit laggier.

EVO(boss)

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Holy shi* , all this power on stock block , wooooow

94AWDcoupe

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like evo 3 going to 35R . your smokin crack. this EF4 may be bigger than a black but its not that much bigger. and the question is is it better? I think its not even in the same ballpark. meaning the black is worlds better. RYU car made 570 tq on stock evo 9 block at 4100 rpm. and that was on pump gas/alky. e85 spools faster and makes more power. this rev4 made max 460 as early as 5400rpm. THATS FUGGIN LAGGY.

plus you guys are dumb to think you can just keep making the wheels bigger to make a better turbo out of housings made for 300whp. the black is already too big. in order to max the black out you have to destroy the spool by eliminating the twin scroll in an effort to reduce hotside back pressure.

for me this turbo is a turd. take it or leave it. love it if you want. I could care less if you want to make you car no fun.

CurseDSM

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Ok either you have no common since or you lack the ability to actually see what I was talking about. I have 3 people that have been in my car all have blacks on there cars and flat out say theres no way in hell there car hits that hard at any given rpm. I am sure Jeff has the same type of responces with his car. We have similar setups we have the same wastegates we both have plenty of preload. Now lets go back to what you were saying I am on crack. Have you ever driven a car with a 35r? How about a hta 35r I know you have been in a stock evo powered car and I am sure you have been in a evo powered by a black. So with you not making the conection here about me saying yeah the car is a bit laggier compairing 2 totally different turbos you FAIL to see that my point wasnt compairing the 2 turbos in any way other then me stateing that yeah one is definately more laggier. It is this FAIL that makes me think that you sir are the one smoking crack not me. Last but not least ask anyone running this turbo and I am sure they will tell you the same thing the car is alot of fun to drive, the turbo really isn't that laggy cause unless your rolling from 2k or below this things in the powerband at any given gear at 3 or 4k. I think it isn't the turbo that is a turd I think your a turd for thinking the way you do and again FAILING to understand what any of us are saying.

CurseDSM

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hahaha I didn't see this post I basically said the same thing in that thread in my pm hahahaha

94AWDcoupe

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https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...ck-sd-e85.html (hits 460tq 900rpm sooner)


https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...black-e85.html
(hits 460tq 400 rpm sooner but pull was started at 4500)

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-er-tuned.html
(hits 460tq 1000rpm sooner, but it is 2.3 which speeds spool by~400) (hitting 300tq at 3700!)

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...-589ftlbs.html (another stroker, but 460tq at 3650RPM) WOW

apparently you have been ignoring all the nice black dyno graphs. I guess just keep looking at the slow spooling incorrectly setup ones. if it makes you happy and wins you arguments.

I am done here. The EF4 is a lag monster from where I am sitting.

CurseDSM

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your still compairing apples to oranges man. Your still talking smaller frame turbo with 9 size compressor housing to the ef4 with a totally different setup. Now you can still get them in a stock housing such as the 9 housing and honestly I havent seen the dynographs from them so I can't comment. I know my personal turbo which has the old sst cover on it is totally different. And your still not getting the ef4 has LARGER COMPRESSOR WHEEL which makes it more laggy and much bigger then a fp black

tscompusa2

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half of those are done in 4th gear.. this was 3rd.

im going to agree with you tho.. this turbo is much laggier then the fp black.

either way i have multiple fp black cars hitting pk tq before 5k in 3rd gear heres 2 i found:

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...444-385-a.html

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...psi-93oct.html

keep in mind evo 8 head vs evo 9 will effect the spool also.. this cars an evo 8 but the most recent black i did on 93 444/385 with ebay parts is a evo 8..

the fp black does spool a good bit quicker though. a perfectly tuned fp black on a evo 8 will see full boost around 4600rpm (30psi). as shown: http://oi53.tinypic.com/25qd828.jpg on 93oct (also speed density)

There is no way the ef4 is gonna get anything better then 4800rpm on full boost from what ive seen so far on a evo 8 2L.

CurseDSM

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Even with that compairison Tom 200 rpms wont really bother alot of people. according to your last pic. I know that it doesn't bother me in the least. I wish I could have taken you for a ride at the shootout or let you drive the car to compair how it feels driving with the 2 turbos.

tscompusa2

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i can see its not that bad from the graphs, but it is laggier theres no question about that.

CurseDSM

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No and when we started tuning my car, we didn't have any of the info that we do now on how the turbo acts. I mean they told me it was compairable to the fp black but not knowing anything about spool charastics as you know how do we compair hahaha.

tscompusa2

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ya yours was full boost at ................................... never.. until the wastegate got adjusted/ modified lol.