Its better then comparing an mustang to an dynojet to an DD .He gave a fair comparison to other cars on his dyno , but it in no way can be compared to other dynos with that load time . It would be like brake boosting , or doing a pull in 5th imagine how early boost hits in 5th gear.

VD should only be used at the track so i dont see what you boys are whining about , since its a track car that should be easy, and i didnt suggest he use that from now on. Rather i asked for a more common form of a chart in a real world application that can be compared to the other commonly posted charts .

If thats too much work to do a 3rd gear pull with a laptop logging data i understand .

Its still odd that a FP RED on a stock block showed response WAY quicker then the EFR , and you guys didnt post and graphs of a 2.3 black or similar offering which is what i would like to see a comparison to.

 

1. I don't own another evo with a FP Black on a 2.3 sorry?

2. I could REALLY care less whether or not you guys like the turbo or setup... It makes no difference to me. I don't work for Fullrace or have any stake in Borgwarner. So Buy the turbo.. don't buy the turbo.. Go with FP or Garrett or PTE or whatever the flavor of the week is.

3. Nobody is whinning but all the dyno *****es. Wahh wahhh wahh your dyno graph is crap, its unfair, .. we need to see it on X. Frankly, that would start a whole new debate over something stupid. As Mike said, where is the "rule" book to properly dyno a tune. What are the settings?

4. As I've explained multiple times.... if you or anyone else wants to SEE another dyno graph/chart so damn BAD... then either wait till someone posts it... pay for the time (I"ll dontate the gas and my time) and we can do it under "your" requirements. Or buy the damn turbo. Hell a couple hundrad dollars to see this "POS" turbo *Rolls eyes*on a few dynos could save you or who ever else has dobuts a lot of money.

5.Its actually REALLY difficult to do 3rd gear pulls... when your car is in a different state...hmmm.. Which i explained in an earlier post. The haters are going to hate, fine.

6. Its not my effing job to prove or convince ANYONE what the turbo can and can't do. We've (Mike) provided plently of evidence that is good enough to please me ( You know, the lowly car owner).

7. I enjoy the setup and would recommend it. Easy as that.

The End.

 

I posted a stock X vs the stock X on Mike's dyno and the spool was very similar. So I don't honestly think the whole "brake boosting in 5th gear" is that accurate. Could it be a few hundred rpms different, maybe but seems close enough to get the idea to me.

 

I would agree a 9 second loaded pull would simulate a 5th gear pull going up hill. Excellent way to tune car, but spool data will be skewed. I did a thread on it with my evo 1. spool per gear is drastically different in my light car. would be less in heavy evo 8. but still very significant.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...pool-data.html

 

Amen. When do you get to take this baby to the track?

 

He was shooting for this weekend, but it looks like he won't be going for another week or two. Would it help if I posted a dyno comparison I did awhile back between the GST MD and the RRE Dynapak? Same mods, but the only huge difference would be the ambient temps that were quite a bit hotter when I dyno'ed at RRE. Maybe for spool comparison?

 

Really

please define used properly

As you know, all roads are not level & i know you were not saying that they are.

However, when you have 10 different pulls on 10 different roads, there will be variations.....hell, the roads can be equally flat, but 1 road has wind in your face & the other has the wind @ your back, your results will differ.

much like a persons signature with parkinsons disease

 

Nice results Ben. Hope all is well with you. Let me know when you are ready for the cams

James

 

But that is real world ... That is what the cars sees and how the turbo responds on street, track, ect. I agree the peak number will be off with a 20mph tailwind which is why i said when used properly...
Ive tested it on a road that wasnt quite level going both directions and shockingly it doesnt change more then a couple horsepower.

I know VD isnt perfect . But an 11 second runtime on a dyno is missleading in the spool area, FACT. That is NOT the power curve that car will have in 3rd gear on the street or track.
For all those upset at me for pointing out the obvious go **** yourselves.

 

Never called your turbo a POS , i want one which is why i have interest in seeing the results from one . In my eyes the dyno is scewing the numbers . Apparantly not everyone sees it that way... And thats fine everyone has their own opinion.

We all know there arent rules to dynoing a car . But there are definalty ways to make the numbers inflated or make a turbo car spool early , which has been done in this case.

As i stated before there is a FREE program that would allow you when you have time to do a couple pulls in 3rd gear at a track. If you would be so kind , it would put this whole debate to rest , and make me look like an idiot if i were to be wrong...

 

interesting...i plot my power from aem & it's super sensitive to roads / fuel loads, etc.



true. that is why i tune my car in 3rd gear on the road. dj's are super close in my experience for mimicking a flat road in 3rd gear.

i have never had my car on rre's dyno, let alone witness their routine, so i cant say either way.

i have been on a DD before...lets just say that there isnt a road that could generate my speed trace from that dyno pull

besides, this thread is about the turbo & it appears to make decent power with decent spool up.

 

Good man, not quite like the 700ish tq your beast has... haha...but enough for me lol.

 

Looks like I'll be headed out there anyway...(who needs to go home anyway) I need to finish some DMV paperwork for the other PITA silver evo. I have a few jobs down in socal next week... so I'm going to try and hit chuckawalla still and maybe streets next week.

I'll try do some more logging... needs to be done anyway.

Don't even think i'm going to give logs away... there is going to be a 10 dollar charge. ***Evil Laugh***

 

Your right about it being about the turbo/setup sorry for getting so bent i dont mean to make it one dyno versus another , but ive seen so many people rave about a certain setup when high load times are used. And simply put its not accurate to the gear 99%of the time.
Im sure its a kick *** setup as it should be, i guess i will watch next year for the next one of these to be tested

 

The amusing thing about this criticism of the Dynapack using 11second runs is that there are other turbo combinations compared with the EFR with equivalent run settings, and it almost reads like people are suggesting the EFR may not be as good with faster runs when in fact the EFR was clearly designed more with response (which a faster run will accentuate) in mind than outright boost threshold.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the safe bet would be that a turbo with way lower inertia and a superior ability to build boost when put under the same amount of load would only separate the gap when both are given less time to build boost?