Can you take pictures of it all installed? I have a friend who has a Black who needs a down pipe solution. If this is already on and working I will recommend it to him.

 

I also see the outlet is vband. Do they sell a vband cat delete pipe or an adapter to a standard cat back exhaust?

 

Nice to know there are some lower priced options available on the market for the FP stock frame turbo o2 housing, however it seems that for ultimate power T3/T4 is the way to go, you have to consider the power for dollar.

 

"This allows you to make just one small modification to your existing downpipe and you're off and running"

What modification are they talking about? Is this o2 housing supposed to be compatible with most downpipes that were originally designed for stock o2 housing?

 

Cutting off the flange on your existing DP and welding this on, to bolt to the V-Band on the turbo.

 

Thanks for the clarification- that's what I thought just wanted to be sure. Kind of ****ty how FP doesn't offer a downpipe solution w/ this new housing....

 

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...Lancer-Exhaust

What do you call this?

- Michael

 

Michael,

Not everyone has access to a quality welder that can be trusted. The offering above would require someone to bring their car to a shop (assuming they don't have another car) and leave it there while the old downpipe comes out and the vband flange gets welded- and then hoping the measurements/fitment is spot on. All of this requires time and money on top of the $250 you're charging. Believe it or not, some customers, such as myself, try their hardest to keep their cars out of shops because they don't trust others with their car.

The need to have to cut/weld an existing down-pipe is a turn off for me- I'd think it'd be easier to just use conventional t3/t4/flange instead of vflange in this case.

 

A butt band clamp might work for DIY guys. It would even allow for somewhat of an imprecise cut too.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

We worked with several shops to have a solution ready before product launch and what they came up with was a solution that would bolt right up. However the market all said "that's too much" and a few of those people ceased making them because the market didn't want it. So we made a cheaper option that requires minimum modification to your existing parts to make it work and now we're being told that's too hard. Unfortunately sometimes you can either have the cake or eat the cake not both.

What you want just can't exist you want an O2 housing that's flanged the same as your existing downpipe and that's understandable. However most O2 housing and downpipes have a 2.5" flange and going from 3" to 2.5" to 3" is stupid and contrary to what we try and do at FP which is make stuff that kicks *** and we're not going to neuter our product line so it'll fit a terribly executed pre-existing exhaust system. The funny thing even if we did there would be a group of people that call out the fact that it tapers from 3" to 2.5" to 3" and we'd still "lose". At the end of the day we're not doing needle point here, we're building race cars.

- Michael

 

Wow.

Let me say this to the ones talking about T3 turbo setups. Even with a T3 turbo setup you'll have to have parts fabbed most of the time. Unless you buy a companies complete kit (their manifold/turbo/downpipe) combo. Majority of the time the brand X manifold with brand Y downpipe won't work.

The FP stock frame turbos will make big power. 450+ from an FP Green to 800+ from the Zero. Which is more than enough power (depending on supporting mods of course) for the majority of enthusiests.

I have the MAPerformance downpipe setup, if the FP O2 housing was available when I purchased my turbo I would have bought it. For simplicity of working on the car. I can tell you it is a PITA to have to remove the whole downpipe whenever you need to work on the car versus removing just a lower portion and leaving the tight fit O2 housing on the turbo.

I like the Design of the FP solution and the V-band versus a 2 bolt flange or donut gasket flange.

If you can't afford to simply have your downpipe modified (which any muffler shop can do for you) by yourself or by a local business then maybe you need another hobby or stick with a stock turbo until you can afford the supporting parts needed.

For the younger guys out there just some words of wisdom, if you don't have a dependable daily driver get one. A modified turbocharged car is not a dependable daily driver, things break and 9 out of 10 times something will happen during an install/upgrade that will take you longer than planned downtime which will leave you stranded/vehicleless.

Do what you can afford I guess, but for simplicity and performance gain with reliability of parts and customer service its really hard to beat the FP stock frame turbos for the Evo's (8,9,10).

 

^That, a good DD is the smartest thing ever haha. I thought it was possibly forever ago to use the evo for everything but its just silly to try.

Agreed with that post.

 

I do not know of a downpipe other than OEM that is 2.5 flange at the o2 housing. I do know my AMS downpipe is full 3" opening, my buddies Buschur is for sure 3", even my old Megan from back in 2006 all use a flange that is 3" or larger depending on if they use the donut gasket. I already have purchased my turbo and will be in my possession Monday evening, so now my problem is the o2/downpipe solution.

If someone would just make an o2 housing to fit I would be golden. My downpipe doesn't rub the oil pan nor does it require spacers for the tie bars, buying another downpipe and adding modifications to that downpipe could easily make everything not fit as it does now.

For me, there isn't a single bolt on solution that would work for my needs.

 

What 'market' said that's too much? If anything I'd think a proper downpipe solution that doesn't require your customer to source a welder etc would be just another business opportunity but it just seems like you guys are offloading that onto the customer. Meaning it's not really a complete solution in my opinion- and that's something you guys have always been great at- it has been your niche in the evo world....

I understand how from your preservative it's a great solution but I think that for a lot of guys it might be another complication that they don't want to deal with when buying $2500 turbos.

No one said they can't afford to 'simply' have their downpipe modified- but If I can get a full bolt on kit that doesn't require me to bring my car to a shop to make such modifications I'd be more inclined to go with that set up- that's the point I'm trying to make. And if anyone would understand that point- I'd think it'd be FP considering the fact that they have been a unique contributor to this community with their full bolt on offerings in the past...

 

If we are buying these turbos then apparently we can afford to have a downpipe

I do agree with what you are saying, I do not want to take my car to anyone at all for anything. I've been looking at FP turbos since 2006 and it took me 9 years to make myself buy one.