Exactly!

 

Area under the curve? What the heck is that?

 

Ok, some of you are not looking at this the way I am. I will highlight the key points I am trying to make here.

Old @ 26psi C16=390whp/373trq
stock turbo
stock 02
stock licp
stock fmic
stock injectors
no meth

New @ 26 psi 93/C16/meth =398whp/377trq
Buschur race fmic
ssautochrome 02 housing
Buschur licp
1000cc injectors
snow performance methanol injection kit
Buschur 20G-9

The graph Doug posted is of the car on straight C16 @ 29 psi!


Yes, it did make more power up top all the way to redline. But damn, something has to be wrong here. I expected the power to be around 450 whp and just over 400 torque(ON A DYNOJET) when all was said and done. I have a good choice of mods in my opinion and thought this combination would yield better results.

I am not giving up as of yet. I am going to do a boost leak test to see if that could be the problem along with checking the 1G bov to see if it isn't handling that boost level.

If that doesn't pan out, we are going to try some more things with the AEM and try to get things in check.

If all else fails I am removing the RnR manifold in a last ditch effort to see if the knock issue is due to it. I might be going with the Buschur ported and coated unit if this is the case.

 

Something is wrong for sure with the set up

I would do the following

1 - check for exhuast leaks before the turbo (common when you have aftermarket manifold)

2 - compression test - leak down

3 - boost leak test

4 - check wastegate aqctuator adjustment

The IX 20 g is worth at least 30 whp over the stocker

Your tuner is one of the best so the problem no doubt is in the mechanical aspects of the car

 

sorry to hear

the only thing i see strange is using 1000cc injectors and meth. isnt that too much for that size turbo?

 

If you or Doug don't mind sharing. We are curious about your A/F ratio on meth. There may be some power there. Maybe Doug can PM me.

I think this unit will perform on the right car.

 

Dang, There must be some sort of bottle neck.

 

Here is the previous graph that EVONYOASS is referring to:

 

I feel like MasterDumgazz! Remember this Prophecy?

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...31#post2719231

U do not know how to quantify percentages.

IMO, If this 20G-9 can make 420 whp( DJ #s) on an Evo with basic bolt-ons; that would be great and worth it for many as a viable upgrade option. If it gets 450 whp that would be insane and the best possible turbo upgrade in history for the Evo.

My prediction is that an Evo 8 with all the BPUs and stock internals will likely push close to 400 whp on a DJ. Some might do a lil more, but from what I see in Dave's numbers, I feel that I am being optimistic. He has a FrankenEvo with more mods than most and based off of previous dyno comparisons he appears to be hovering around 400 whp on a DJ. Do the math and really compare the numbers between his dyno and other tuners dynos.

U will conclude that the variance in the numbers are exaggerated and 25-33% is absurd. Also lets forget about his 2800pnd RS trapping 124 mph with great no lift drivers at the helm. It only proves that David's RS is`light and his homies can drive.

The Hype on Evo M never ceases to amaze me and in the next couple months we will find out if this turbo upgrade is Hype or the real deal. I hope the Sheep(Guinea Pigs) are not mislead by their Shepard on this venture. We all remember the poor Sheep took one on the chin on the White Rabbit hype and the ATP 3071 debacle.I have been around long enough to see that there is alot of Koolaid being sold on Evo M and I am not drinking any until I see a 20G-9 put down some real world results outside of Ohio.
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called as seen

 

30whp more even on an evo IX? Or are we talking about the conversion from an 8? Because I could see you getting a major power increase from the LICP that comes with the conversion kit....

For the money I don't think the turbo delivers for people driving an evo 8....

 

Well according to the amount of timing we are only allowed to run on both pump+meth(2deg low/8 deg high) and C16+meth(2 deg low/12 deg high) something is obviously wrong with my car. I am going to go out on a limb and say once we get the knock issue under control and can add more into the mix the power should increase considerably. If I am at 430 whp now, I don't see why 450 whp cannot be achieved once this issue is fix.

Many people are giving me advice on what to try next, one being remove the RnR manifold and install another.

I actually have an issue with my RnR manifold I have been meaning to get fixed with Ryan. On 2-3 of the runners, they were not alligned properly when they were welded together so there is a lip on the inside of the runner that the air is flowing over. The "thought" behind this being the problem with knock is because "in theory" the lip is causing some sort of turbelance in the runners therefore mismatching the exhaust gas pulses. This might be causing the knock from extra noise being cause in the manifold runners also.

Ryan said he would switch it out for another, but he wants me to ship the one back to him that is installed on my car now and he will ship me another one. This car is my daily driver and I can't be without it for a week. He suggested I install the stock manifold back on until I recieve the new manifold, but that is too much damn work for something that is not my fault. My lower back took a beating as it is switching out everything a few weeks ago and I'm still paying the price for it. I just had back surgery last year and I shouldn't be working on my car in the first place.

 

I would think RNR would send you a new one, let you put it on and then you send it back, doesn't seem like too much to ask, especially if this is your only ride. Good Luck troubleshooting, I am looking forward to your results as this is probably the route I am going as well. Thanks

 

Dave and I don't agree on everything, however I am optimistic about this turbo. We would like to try it out eventually, unless it is proven otherwise from a trusted source like Doug@TopSpeed on one of their own cars. No offense to the test car, but shop cars don't usually have overlooked boost leaks and potential oversights that can make results seem like they have fallen short of expectations.

Our last dyno was 404.6whp/445.1tq. This was on a simple SAFCII + reflash 93oct +meth. As we are now running MaftPro and updated tuning, we have gained 3mph in the 1/4 which we can estimate as about 428-434whp DJ according to http://www.speedworldmotorplex.com/calc.htm. Our next upgrade should bump an estimated 15whp.

I would love to see 30-50whp out of it and if it is a turbo that can physically flow enough air efficiently, we will make it happen.

475-500whp, 93 octane+meth ~now that would be nice.

 

I just can't help but laugh out loud at the same ignorant folks, (as in the "other turbo" threads) without the product, coming in here and attempting to spread their "wealth" of inapplicable knowledge. Just like the "other" threads, seems everyone without actual product experience have the most to say... there is probably a lot more to this than the new product. Yet, everyone wants to jump on the band wagon and slam the product along with the owner.