Judge the tune, not the messanger....
I actually was at the Porsche Exchange helping shiv (he didn't ask for it) by pulling out ECU's on drive-up evos, so he could flash them. I enjoyed my day there, and stayed after my car was tuned to help out. I never had anything bad to say about Shiv, or Vishnu products in general. I have gotten Bushur parts before I even heard of Vishnu, and Bushur parts are GREAT, as is Vishnu products. I have sold alot of people in INDY on the Vishnu line, and the Bushur line also. I have heard alot of GREAT things about Al and Dynoflash, and pick up any magazine, and you see more of Dynoflash, and Bushur cars throwing down, than you do Vishnu cars. I just dont see the purpose or the need for the bashing going on out of the Vishnu camp. I haven't been on here THAT long, but I believe that Shiv threw the first stone, and should apologize, and bury this, or get out the Jello VAT!!!!
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
One of the really great things about the Ecutek softwear is that it reports back how many times the ecu has been flashed and why WHOM and what the dongle ID# is fo rthe last tuner - of course I will report all of this information so we can see exactly who tuned the car in question
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
And my apologies to everyone who had to read through all this crap. It's just that threads like this really **** me off and my argumentitive side gets the best of me. I don't want this thread to be closed. I just want DB and/or Al to come to the table with the basic necessary information that would provide even the slightest bit of validity to the topic of this thread. Until then, we're all just pissing in the wind.
shiv
shiv
It seems you only enjoy these kind of threads when you are running the dyno and making other people's work look bad ?
BTW - the links that were posted in the WRX forums show the customer in question making a long line of posts claiming he had a Vishnu Stage II with a Vishnu Ecutek flash. Based upon that and the statements he made at the dyno day I would say its fairly safe to assume that you tuned his car. I think that would be enough evidence to convince any rational person.
However, luckily for everyone interested in this subject - the ecu itself will verify all the data about who last tuned it.
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
I actually was at the Porsche Exchange helping shiv (he didn't ask for it) by pulling out ECU's on drive-up evos, so he could flash them. I enjoyed my day there, and stayed after my car was tuned to help out. I never had anything bad to say about Shiv, or Vishnu products in general. I have gotten Bushur parts before I even heard of Vishnu, and Bushur parts are GREAT, as is Vishnu products. I have sold alot of people in INDY on the Vishnu line, and the Bushur line also. I have heard alot of GREAT things about Al and Dynoflash, and pick up any magazine, and you see more of Dynoflash, and Bushur cars throwing down, than you do Vishnu cars. I just dont see the purpose or the need for the bashing going on out of the Vishnu camp. I haven't been on here THAT long, but I believe that Shiv threw the first stone, and should apologize, and bury this, or get out the Jello VAT!!!!
Just
my own thoughts on these kind of threads . . . for what its worth While many people claim these kind of threads are a very toxic and unpleasnt subject matter to wade through - on the other hand its easy to identify them and just not read it all
The reality is that there are a LOT of people who really enjoy reading these debates and participating in the discussion
IMHO - as long as name calling and insults can be left out there is nothing wrong with a civil dialouge where people disagree
from the view counts and post counts it seems sadly that these kind of subjects garner a lot of attention
But - just becuase the Howard Stern show is popular does not mean the content is enlightening or stimiluating
for a guy clearly ready and willing to bash vfellow vendors - (SHIV) it is most interesting to see how he has responded to this situation. For those counting he has tried to shift the subject several times and bring up totally
and irrelevant remarks. Kind of like a politician who is caught taking a bribe who says he was justfited becuase the police cheif is having an extra marital affair.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Just my own thoughts on these kind of threads . . . for what its worth
While many people claim these kind of threads are a very toxic and unpleasnt subject matter to wade through - on the other hand its easy to identify them and just not read it all
The reality is that there are a LOT of people who really enjoy reading these debates and participating in the discussion
IMHO - as long as name calling and insults can be left out there is nothing wrong with a civil dialouge where people disagree
from the view counts and post counts it seems sadly that these kind of subjects garner a lot of attention
But - just becuase the Howard Stern show is popular does not mean the content is enlightening or stimiluating
for a guy clearly ready and willing to bash vfellow vendors - (SHIV) it is most interesting to see how he has responded to this situation. For those counting he has tried to shift the subject several times and bring up totally and irrelevant remarks. Kind of like a politician who is caught taking a bribe who says he was justfited becuase the police cheif is having an extra marital affair.
my own thoughts on these kind of threads . . . for what its worth While many people claim these kind of threads are a very toxic and unpleasnt subject matter to wade through - on the other hand its easy to identify them and just not read it all
The reality is that there are a LOT of people who really enjoy reading these debates and participating in the discussion
IMHO - as long as name calling and insults can be left out there is nothing wrong with a civil dialouge where people disagree
from the view counts and post counts it seems sadly that these kind of subjects garner a lot of attention
But - just becuase the Howard Stern show is popular does not mean the content is enlightening or stimiluating
for a guy clearly ready and willing to bash vfellow vendors - (SHIV) it is most interesting to see how he has responded to this situation. For those counting he has tried to shift the subject several times and bring up totally
and irrelevant remarks. Kind of like a politician who is caught taking a bribe who says he was justfited becuase the police cheif is having an extra marital affair.
You have alot of room to talk. It is ok for you to stand up for your friend but god for bid if I do for my self Hypocrite.
Originally Posted by evodan2004
make that 2 subaru's. i have a friend with a white sti that got ecutek from shiv and his car is all f@#ked up. it blows smoke and thros codes all day long. he hated it from day one. now he is looking for another tunner.
Originally Posted by PHILLY EVO
You have alot of room to talk. It is ok for you to stand up for your friend but god for bid if I do for my self Hypocrite.
Last edited by smokedmustang; Jan 29, 2006 at 03:15 PM.
Originally Posted by purecoda
i think there is only logical way to settle all this - a walk off!
(had to be said, this thread needed a little lightening)
(had to be said, this thread needed a little lightening)
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Just so you know - this whole Evoitis1 situation from over two years and change ago is yet another fact twisted and manipulated by Shiv
The comment posted above was made BEFORE Dyno Flash even existed or had flashed ONE ECU
Sept 11, 2003 was when it was made
At that point Dyno Flash was a partnership invloving other parties and I was going to have my car flashed as the first one
The main reason why I did not post under my actual screen name at the time was becuase I knew if Shiv found out that I was having anything to do with Dyno Flash before we got our hands on the equipment and started as vendors here he would try and prevent it from occuring
It was a mistake for me to have used the Evoitis1 sceen name - however - at the time I had specific reasons for my actions
The facts are that Dyno Flash was not incorporated at that time, we did not have any flashing machine then and we had not started doing any business at the time.
Of course Shiv somehow thinks this is all relevant to the issue of the tuning of the particular WRX which is the subject of this thread
It is a familar pattern
I have not even posted one bad word here about SHiv's tuning or accused him of anything
It was Mr. Bushcur who posted his feelings
Yet - Shiv's response is to bring out a lot of mud slinging and accusations against MYSELF to change the subject from a discussion about his tuning and try and generate a huge pissing contest so the thread will get locked
This pattern of behavior has occured time and time again
Now it is my cue to throw some dirt at Shiv - but i wont becuase I dont want the thread to get locked
Lets try and keep this dicussion ON TOPIC and stay on point
accusations and insults should be directed BY PM or email or on a seperate thread
The comment posted above was made BEFORE Dyno Flash even existed or had flashed ONE ECU
Sept 11, 2003 was when it was made
At that point Dyno Flash was a partnership invloving other parties and I was going to have my car flashed as the first one
The main reason why I did not post under my actual screen name at the time was becuase I knew if Shiv found out that I was having anything to do with Dyno Flash before we got our hands on the equipment and started as vendors here he would try and prevent it from occuring
It was a mistake for me to have used the Evoitis1 sceen name - however - at the time I had specific reasons for my actions
The facts are that Dyno Flash was not incorporated at that time, we did not have any flashing machine then and we had not started doing any business at the time.
Of course Shiv somehow thinks this is all relevant to the issue of the tuning of the particular WRX which is the subject of this thread
It is a familar pattern
I have not even posted one bad word here about SHiv's tuning or accused him of anything
It was Mr. Bushcur who posted his feelings
Yet - Shiv's response is to bring out a lot of mud slinging and accusations against MYSELF to change the subject from a discussion about his tuning and try and generate a huge pissing contest so the thread will get locked
This pattern of behavior has occured time and time again
Now it is my cue to throw some dirt at Shiv - but i wont becuase I dont want the thread to get locked
Lets try and keep this dicussion ON TOPIC and stay on point
accusations and insults should be directed BY PM or email or on a seperate thread
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Smogrunner, post #96.
Also, you brought up Brandon and his 11.8 @ 116 mph pass. This just drives you nuts that he is that fast doesn't it? Since you want to bring up that story let me give you the entire story. If I don't comment on it I feel it looks like I am covering something up and I have NOTHING to cover. First off the car that Brandon (LIFER) has had a VPro on it from the last owner which I tuned. It was originally brought in from the original owner with I think an Emanage on it that ran like crap. He wanted the HKS VPro installed. He drove the car for however long and sold it to Brandon. Brandon did some other mods on the car after he bought it and the car started to run like crap. He called and asked if I would re-tune the car. I told him sure. He showed up to our shop claiming he was getting about 12 mpg since he added in a fuel pump. First thing I did was get the car running good again and then dyno'd it. I think that trip it made around 240 whp. The power seemed low BUT that was what I felt was safe watching the timing, AFR's etc. The car also had a lot of blow by as was apparent by the amount of oil and such under the hood. I was worried about trying to push this particular car further. Brandon left
and then called and said his fuel mileage was over 20 mpg and he was pretty happy. He then sent me a PM that said something like this, "I am not really happy with the power that you made with my car when I was there. I didn't want to post this on EVOM and thought if I just contacted you about it we could work something out." I wrote him back, thanked him for contacting me privately and told him come back in and I would retune the car. When Brandon showed up I told him (Basic conversation here as I don't remember exactly), "I honestly don't feel making more power is safe with this car on pump gas." He said, "I know, you told me that before but I see cars making around 280 with my mods on your dyno and that's what I want." I tell him that's fine but I am going to write on your dyno waiver that I don't suggest tuning the car any further than it is and you will have to sign it. Brandon had no problem with that, signed the waiver, which I have and I tuned it. I think we actually ended up making 286 whp with the car. He was VERY happy with that and reported back later that he ended up running 11.8 at 116 mph.
A few weeks/month later Brandon called us and said he thought he may have blown up the engine in the car. I told him to bring it to the shop. The car had no signs of detonation as the cylinder walls looked good, pistons weren't "melted", no scoring on the skirts of the pistons and all the spark plugs were completely intact. If I remember right the 3# rod bearing had spun. That is all, one spun rod bearing. The remainder of the bearings were in good shape and they obviously had not been beaten out of the engine from it detonating.
Now, Smog, you have the entire story, next time you accuse me of blowing up a car or even hinting that I did please know all of the story.
On top of that, as far as I am concerned, had every piston in the car melted and the head blew off through the hood I had NO responsibility for it as I did warn Brandon and he did sign a waiver that was written out that I warned him. Luckily I was just being too conservative the first time and was able to make an additional 40 whp with NO damage from it
Brandon must be fairly happy with my abilities as he just bough a GT35R kit of our and is coming back for me to tune his new AEM EMS.
Brandon, LIFER, if you don't mind could you confirm all of this for me, if you are even keeping up on this thread.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Also, you brought up Brandon and his 11.8 @ 116 mph pass. This just drives you nuts that he is that fast doesn't it? Since you want to bring up that story let me give you the entire story. If I don't comment on it I feel it looks like I am covering something up and I have NOTHING to cover. First off the car that Brandon (LIFER) has had a VPro on it from the last owner which I tuned. It was originally brought in from the original owner with I think an Emanage on it that ran like crap. He wanted the HKS VPro installed. He drove the car for however long and sold it to Brandon. Brandon did some other mods on the car after he bought it and the car started to run like crap. He called and asked if I would re-tune the car. I told him sure. He showed up to our shop claiming he was getting about 12 mpg since he added in a fuel pump. First thing I did was get the car running good again and then dyno'd it. I think that trip it made around 240 whp. The power seemed low BUT that was what I felt was safe watching the timing, AFR's etc. The car also had a lot of blow by as was apparent by the amount of oil and such under the hood. I was worried about trying to push this particular car further. Brandon left
and then called and said his fuel mileage was over 20 mpg and he was pretty happy. He then sent me a PM that said something like this, "I am not really happy with the power that you made with my car when I was there. I didn't want to post this on EVOM and thought if I just contacted you about it we could work something out." I wrote him back, thanked him for contacting me privately and told him come back in and I would retune the car. When Brandon showed up I told him (Basic conversation here as I don't remember exactly), "I honestly don't feel making more power is safe with this car on pump gas." He said, "I know, you told me that before but I see cars making around 280 with my mods on your dyno and that's what I want." I tell him that's fine but I am going to write on your dyno waiver that I don't suggest tuning the car any further than it is and you will have to sign it. Brandon had no problem with that, signed the waiver, which I have and I tuned it. I think we actually ended up making 286 whp with the car. He was VERY happy with that and reported back later that he ended up running 11.8 at 116 mph.
A few weeks/month later Brandon called us and said he thought he may have blown up the engine in the car. I told him to bring it to the shop. The car had no signs of detonation as the cylinder walls looked good, pistons weren't "melted", no scoring on the skirts of the pistons and all the spark plugs were completely intact. If I remember right the 3# rod bearing had spun. That is all, one spun rod bearing. The remainder of the bearings were in good shape and they obviously had not been beaten out of the engine from it detonating.
Now, Smog, you have the entire story, next time you accuse me of blowing up a car or even hinting that I did please know all of the story.
On top of that, as far as I am concerned, had every piston in the car melted and the head blew off through the hood I had NO responsibility for it as I did warn Brandon and he did sign a waiver that was written out that I warned him. Luckily I was just being too conservative the first time and was able to make an additional 40 whp with NO damage from it
Brandon must be fairly happy with my abilities as he just bough a GT35R kit of our and is coming back for me to tune his new AEM EMS.
Brandon, LIFER, if you don't mind could you confirm all of this for me, if you are even keeping up on this thread.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Let me get this straight:
First, LIFER doing 11.8@116 hardly bothers me. I did 11.9@115. Both are good runs.
Second, you state above that you could tell his motor was unhealthy, but gave him an aggressive tune anyway. He went out and within about two weeks, his motor blew. You were worried enough that you had him sign a special disclaimer? Not just a typical dyno disclaimer? If you look up his posts just before and after his after his motor blew, you get the impression that he had no idea something was wrong. He was posting up all over the place trying to figure out what was happening to his car. He sure never seemed like he knew his motor was on the way out.
Finally, Brandon doesn't seem too happy with his new 35R kit he bought from you. He just started a new thread and this was his first post:
Originally Posted by LIFER
Ok I just recieved my gt35r kit, who the kit is from is off no importance.. Well its brand new and i went to spin the wheel and it will only spin maybe 1" before it scrapes.. I also noticed that the wheel has about 1/8inch gab from the housing on one side and it's touching on the other. I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem.. any idea's on what's wrong
Last edited by Smogrunner; Jan 29, 2006 at 03:36 PM.
Originally Posted by smokedmustang
Whats a walk-off? back to back, high noon, gunslinger deal?
----------------Al^-----------------------------------------Shiv^---------------------
THAT'S a walk off.
(Don't forget afterwards, they become really good friends.)
Last edited by purecoda; Jan 29, 2006 at 03:37 PM.
Smogrunner, post #96.
You asked how is a WRX relavent to the EVO's in reference to me even posting this here. Well the reason it is relavent is this is the only car I have ever seen that Shiv had anything to do with, so it is the only example I have. It's not like he is popular around my neck of the woods. The point was the tune wasn't good.
Also, you brought up Brandon and his 11.8 @ 116 mph pass. This just drives you nuts that he is that fast doesn't it? Since you want to bring up that story let me give you the entire story. If I don't comment on it I feel it looks like I am covering something up and I have NOTHING to cover. First off the car that Brandon (LIFER) has had a VPro on it from the last owner which I tuned. It was originally brought in from the original owner with I think an Emanage on it that ran like crap. He wanted the HKS VPro installed. He drove the car for however long and sold it to Brandon. Brandon did some other mods on the car after he bought it and the car started to run like crap. He called and asked if I would re-tune the car. I told him sure. He showed up to our shop claiming he was getting about 12 mpg since he added in a fuel pump. First thing I did was get the car running good again and then dyno'd it. I think that trip it made around 240 whp. The power seemed low BUT that was what I felt was safe watching the timing, AFR's etc. The car also had a lot of blow by as was apparent by the amount of oil and such under the hood. I was worried about trying to push this particular car further. Brandon left and then called and said his fuel mileage was over 20 mpg and he was pretty happy. He then sent me a PM that said something like this, "I am not really happy with the power that you made with my car when I was there. I didn't want to post this on EVOM and thought if I just contacted you about it we could work something out." I wrote him back, thanked him for contacting me privately and told him come back in and I would retune the car. When Brandon showed up I told him (Basic conversation here as I don't remember exactly), "I honestly don't feel making more power is safe with this car on pump gas." He said, "I know, you told me that before but I see cars making around 280 with my mods on your dyno and that's what I want." I tell him that's fine but I am going to write on your dyno waiver that I don't suggest tuning the car any further than it is and you will have to sign it. Brandon had no problem with that, signed the waiver, which I have and I tuned it. I think we actually ended up making 286 whp with the car. He was VERY happy with that and reported back later that he ended up running 11.8 at 116 mph.
A few weeks/month later Brandon called us and said he thought he may have blown up the engine in the car. I told him to bring it to the shop. The car had no signs of detonation as the cylinder walls looked good, pistons weren't "melted", no scoring on the skirts of the pistons and all the spark plugs were completely intact. If I remember right the 3# rod bearing had spun. That is all, one spun rod bearing. The remainder of the bearings were in good shape and they obviously had not been beaten out of the engine from it detonating.
Now, Smog, you have the entire story, next time you accuse me of blowing up a car or even hinting that I did please know all of the story.
On top of that, as far as I am concerned, had every piston in the car melted and the head blew off through the hood I had NO responsibility for it as I did warn Brandon and he did sign a waiver that was written out that I warned him. Luckily I was just being too conservative the first time and was able to make an additional 40 whp with NO damage from it
Brandon must be fairly happy with my abilities as he just bough a GT35R kit of our and is coming back for me to tune his new AEM EMS.
Brandon, LIFER, if you don't mind could you confirm all of this for me, if you are even keeping up on this thread.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
You asked how is a WRX relavent to the EVO's in reference to me even posting this here. Well the reason it is relavent is this is the only car I have ever seen that Shiv had anything to do with, so it is the only example I have. It's not like he is popular around my neck of the woods. The point was the tune wasn't good.
Also, you brought up Brandon and his 11.8 @ 116 mph pass. This just drives you nuts that he is that fast doesn't it? Since you want to bring up that story let me give you the entire story. If I don't comment on it I feel it looks like I am covering something up and I have NOTHING to cover. First off the car that Brandon (LIFER) has had a VPro on it from the last owner which I tuned. It was originally brought in from the original owner with I think an Emanage on it that ran like crap. He wanted the HKS VPro installed. He drove the car for however long and sold it to Brandon. Brandon did some other mods on the car after he bought it and the car started to run like crap. He called and asked if I would re-tune the car. I told him sure. He showed up to our shop claiming he was getting about 12 mpg since he added in a fuel pump. First thing I did was get the car running good again and then dyno'd it. I think that trip it made around 240 whp. The power seemed low BUT that was what I felt was safe watching the timing, AFR's etc. The car also had a lot of blow by as was apparent by the amount of oil and such under the hood. I was worried about trying to push this particular car further. Brandon left and then called and said his fuel mileage was over 20 mpg and he was pretty happy. He then sent me a PM that said something like this, "I am not really happy with the power that you made with my car when I was there. I didn't want to post this on EVOM and thought if I just contacted you about it we could work something out." I wrote him back, thanked him for contacting me privately and told him come back in and I would retune the car. When Brandon showed up I told him (Basic conversation here as I don't remember exactly), "I honestly don't feel making more power is safe with this car on pump gas." He said, "I know, you told me that before but I see cars making around 280 with my mods on your dyno and that's what I want." I tell him that's fine but I am going to write on your dyno waiver that I don't suggest tuning the car any further than it is and you will have to sign it. Brandon had no problem with that, signed the waiver, which I have and I tuned it. I think we actually ended up making 286 whp with the car. He was VERY happy with that and reported back later that he ended up running 11.8 at 116 mph.
A few weeks/month later Brandon called us and said he thought he may have blown up the engine in the car. I told him to bring it to the shop. The car had no signs of detonation as the cylinder walls looked good, pistons weren't "melted", no scoring on the skirts of the pistons and all the spark plugs were completely intact. If I remember right the 3# rod bearing had spun. That is all, one spun rod bearing. The remainder of the bearings were in good shape and they obviously had not been beaten out of the engine from it detonating.
Now, Smog, you have the entire story, next time you accuse me of blowing up a car or even hinting that I did please know all of the story.
On top of that, as far as I am concerned, had every piston in the car melted and the head blew off through the hood I had NO responsibility for it as I did warn Brandon and he did sign a waiver that was written out that I warned him. Luckily I was just being too conservative the first time and was able to make an additional 40 whp with NO damage from it
Brandon must be fairly happy with my abilities as he just bough a GT35R kit of our and is coming back for me to tune his new AEM EMS.
Brandon, LIFER, if you don't mind could you confirm all of this for me, if you are even keeping up on this thread.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Even if the customer wants you should not tune a customers car past a safety margin especially if you didnt feel comfortable. IMO... That is like Al saying, "David, pick up a gun and shoot me because I think I can handle a gunshot from a 40 .cal" You say, "Al I don't feel comfortable shooting you because that is dangerous, but sign this waiver and I'll shoot you and hope nothing goes wrong" Not saying you don't know what your doing just saying some things you just don't do especially if the car lots of blow by and obviously not in good condition due to oil all over under hood. Just my opinion that is all