Judge the tune, not the messanger....
Originally Posted by SaabTuner
Here's the funniest part of this thread:
With all the time they've spent arguing over this, they could have either:
a) fixed whatever was mechanically wrong with the car or,
b) re-tuned the car.
There must be a clause in the Evom forum guidelines specifically banning any sort of constructive action, I'm sure of it.
With all the time they've spent arguing over this, they could have either:
a) fixed whatever was mechanically wrong with the car or,
b) re-tuned the car.
There must be a clause in the Evom forum guidelines specifically banning any sort of constructive action, I'm sure of it.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The customer that owns the car is very unhappy with the car and is coming back next week for a re-tune from Al. I will also post up the before/after sheets.
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David Buschur
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How retarded is this??? So a customer is supposely not satisfy with a tune in which they suspect a particular tuner did but does not contact that tuner but instead goes to another tuner to show how supposely crappy it is??? UH....if I was not satify with a product, I will go back to the vendor and get it fix. It's not like he went back many times and didn't get it resolved. He didn't even go try to get it fixed by the original tuner?!?!. This person is REALLY credible. 
What an asstard!!!! Obviously trying to make a scene without even "attempting" to resolve it with the original tuner.
What an asstard!!!! Obviously trying to make a scene without even "attempting" to resolve it with the original tuner.
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I think what Mr. Buschur stated originally was that we will fix the car next weekend when I arrive in Ohio
If not, I tip my hat to thee.
Originally Posted by asstard
How retarded is this??? So a customer is supposely not satisfy with a tune in which they suspect a particular tuner did but does not contact that tuner but instead goes to another tuner to show how supposely crappy it is??? UH....if I was not satify with a product, I will go back to the vendor and get it fix. It's not like he went back many times and didn't get it resolved. He didn't even go try to get it fixed by the original tuner?!?!. This person is REALLY credible. What an asstard!!!! Obviously trying to make a scene without even "attempting" to resolve it with the original tuner.
What an asstard!!!! Obviously trying to make a scene without even "attempting" to resolve it with the original tuner. 
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Now that you draw my attention to this matter specifically, I can make these observations regarding the poor owner's alleged "contradictory posts"
It is entirely possible that he recieved a ECUTEK base flahs for Vishnu Stage II from you through the mail and is simply using the two map function which as you know merely raises and lowers the boost level when you push the defrost button with the TPS at 100%
If that were the case - then YOU was the tuner would be the one who set up the high and low boost maps for the Vishnu Stage II
The fact that he is asking for "help" to find someone to tune his ECUTEK flash does not MEAN that he was tuning it himself
I think YOU should gather the facts and ALL the facts before YOU and your crew start spreading the story line that this poor customer was doing his own "tuning" and making "contraditory" posts
It is entirely possible that he recieved a ECUTEK base flahs for Vishnu Stage II from you through the mail and is simply using the two map function which as you know merely raises and lowers the boost level when you push the defrost button with the TPS at 100%
If that were the case - then YOU was the tuner would be the one who set up the high and low boost maps for the Vishnu Stage II
The fact that he is asking for "help" to find someone to tune his ECUTEK flash does not MEAN that he was tuning it himself
I think YOU should gather the facts and ALL the facts before YOU and your crew start spreading the story line that this poor customer was doing his own "tuning" and making "contraditory" posts
in one sentence your telling him not to jump to conclusions, then in another sentence in the EXACT SAME POST you are "speculating" what caused his problem.
BTW I don't have a single Vishnu product on my car... just pointing out the obvious.
Everyone makes mistakes!
Al is a good tuner!
David:we all know what he can do so>>>>>>>>>>
In the case of Vishno I was thinking of having them tune my car but when the failed to admit they they packaged the unichip as the exeddy it was pointless.
My research found that Vishno tuning was based on the UNICHIP which was the same unit in the FQ and he was not the best at it. It also found that the reason for his various trips to europe was to visit with and learn the system while he was in the US fronting and making big powen on race gas.
I then placed a SAFC 11 in my car with a Buschur maps for a car like mine with same mods.
Both cars had the same mods but the other had a Exeddy and my car made 25 more hp on the same dyno that day.
Shiv tuned the car himself yet my car had a safc out of a buschur car.
All shiv has is alt of friends in the media to spread propo.. about his products.
Like the magnaflow exhaust and various other parts.
AMS then took my car to another lever then I sold it.
My neighbour had more mods on his Vishno car than mine and when we ran I beat his butt<even when we changed drivers my car won>
I know I wrote VISHNO. ITS FOR A REASON
Al is a good tuner!
David:we all know what he can do so>>>>>>>>>>
In the case of Vishno I was thinking of having them tune my car but when the failed to admit they they packaged the unichip as the exeddy it was pointless.
My research found that Vishno tuning was based on the UNICHIP which was the same unit in the FQ and he was not the best at it. It also found that the reason for his various trips to europe was to visit with and learn the system while he was in the US fronting and making big powen on race gas.
I then placed a SAFC 11 in my car with a Buschur maps for a car like mine with same mods.
Both cars had the same mods but the other had a Exeddy and my car made 25 more hp on the same dyno that day.
Shiv tuned the car himself yet my car had a safc out of a buschur car.
All shiv has is alt of friends in the media to spread propo.. about his products.
Like the magnaflow exhaust and various other parts.
AMS then took my car to another lever then I sold it.
My neighbour had more mods on his Vishno car than mine and when we ran I beat his butt<even when we changed drivers my car won>
I know I wrote VISHNO. ITS FOR A REASON
Originally Posted by SaabTuner
Right. But you could have done it for free with the amount of time spent here arguing. I imagine you're going to charge him for your time when you see him?
If not, I tip my hat to thee.
If not, I tip my hat to thee.
in an attempt to derail the conversation and shift the subject I don't think that the customer pays or does not may is relevant to the subject at hand
I have found many people in my live who can admit to NO WRONG - they NEVER make a mistake and its always someone else's fault. We call these sort sociopaths.
Originally Posted by AlwaysinBoost
thats some funny stuff right there...
in one sentence your telling him not to jump to conclusions, then in another sentence in the EXACT SAME POST you are "speculating" what caused his problem.
BTW I don't have a single Vishnu product on my car... just pointing out the obvious.
in one sentence your telling him not to jump to conclusions, then in another sentence in the EXACT SAME POST you are "speculating" what caused his problem.
BTW I don't have a single Vishnu product on my car... just pointing out the obvious.
Taking the customer's posts on the WRX forum and contorting them to be a "admission" that he tuned the car himself is not realistic
I was posting some information about how the subaru ECUTEK works for anyone who wants to be informed of facts
As i have said in a week we will have all the answers
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I have found many people in my live who can admit to NO WRONG - they NEVER make a mistake and its always someone else's fault. We call these sort sociopaths.
Originally Posted by SaabTuner
Right. But you could have done it for free with the amount of time spent here arguing. I imagine you're going to charge him for your time when you see him?
If not, I tip my hat to thee.
If not, I tip my hat to thee.
My manner of dealing with this is to simply stay focused on the facts and my position and I have found over the years that many people are able to sift through all the off topic NOISE and grasp the signal at the core of this data.
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Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I think you Vishnuites are going way in an attempt to derail the conversation and shift the subject
I don't think that the customer pays or does not may is relevant to the subject at hand
I have found many people in my live who can admit to NO WRONG - they NEVER make a mistake and its always someone else's fault. We call these sort sociopaths.
in an attempt to derail the conversation and shift the subject I don't think that the customer pays or does not may is relevant to the subject at hand
I have found many people in my live who can admit to NO WRONG - they NEVER make a mistake and its always someone else's fault. We call these sort sociopaths.
And good lord Al, someone with your history on this forum shouldn't be providing any lessons on morality or judgements of mental health. How can you not be overwhelmed by the stench of your own hypocracy? I think the best thing for you to do at this point is to take a few steps back and find out if I actually tuned that WRX. Because his name is not in our computer database. Nor do I recall ever going anywhere near Ohio to tune any WRXs. But stranger things have happened so I'm certainly not saying that I couldn't have tuned it.
And furthermore, it would be nice to see what/who made him change his mind from this (3 weeks ago on the WRX forum):
I have the vishnu stage 2 setup, faster than sti. i had an sti owner drive my car to see what he thought, he about crapped his pants! He has an intake/exhaust on his and he said mine pulls harder than his does.
I am actually disappointed! when that car pulled on the [buschur] dyno and i saw the actual numbers, i was embarrassed!...i could go on and on with how unhappy and disappointed i am, but i wont. let the numbers speak for themselves.
-shiv
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Jan 29, 2006 at 11:19 AM.