Here is my read based on what's in this thread.

Dave got a "Vishnu" WRX in his shop.

Car dynoed with mediocre results.

Based on previous history with Al and Shiv, Dave posts the results.

Comes out later that the owner may have tried to tune car himself.

Did this owner tell Dave it was tuned by SHiv, or did Dave just assume that?

 

that may be what he was "hinting" at, but the way the post was written clearly shows he is doing just the opposite of that, very blatantly.
as I typed before, i hope that dave b. never posts the results of the re-tune. he is a much bigger person to stoop to the fighting that al and shiv have been doing.

It would be nice to see a world where when a person is unhappy with a tune, or has one that appears to be bad, the person re-tuning the car would work with the original tuner, OFF THE FORUMS, so that the customer is happy, or just re-tuning the car and moving on with life..

so much for a perfect world..

 

These threads are such incredible wastes of time.

The cheerleaders come out on both sides, which is hilarious, but other than that its not even worth the bandwidth.

 

Yeah, sure. How is he a much bigger person when he's spit on Shiv's rep as a tuner by making this post without the proper proof? He thought Shiv did it when the facts point that shiv didn't tune it. Also if he backs out of this post without bring forth the facts that need to be brought, it makes him a bigger coward. Starting something he has yet to finish. All we want is the truth. If it turns out that Dave assumed it was custom tuned by Shiv when it wasn't, its only his fault for assuming and its the customers for misleading him.

Also, does anyone else find it wierd that Al has a vastly superior command of his english in this post, and DavidB can't even spell "messenger" right? (Name of the topic) It's usually the other way around. It's just something thats been brought to my attention via PM.

 

I don't disagree that he is stooping to al/shiv's level as of late. I hope that he just steps aside, but posts prior who actually did the tuning. but I guess if dave does step in, he will open the floodgates to anyone that has had an issue with his products. I am sure that they are out there, but it appears that dave has chosen to deal with them in the past, but now he may be opening the doors to them posting on here.. not a good thing for business..



maybe he finally found the "spellcheck" option...

 

uhm.... are you missing what you're sayin' he's missin'? c'mon dude... how can you talk about the quality of the tune when the state of the car is in question? you can't discuss taking a **** if your thumb is up your ***.

and what do you mean you can't interview the "right" person and get the "right" answer... what if they ARE lying or what if they DO have their own agenda or what if that IS THE TRUTH but there's many cases of truth for other people that don't coincide???

example... if i ask a bunch of rich folks what they think about food stamps what kinda answers you think i'm gonna get? if i ask a buncha poor people what am i gonna get? if your test group and your control group are manipulated... you get skewed results.

oh gag me please... al being the guy that is all red white and blue and **** and complains about China making all these cheap products and our national debt rising to China as a result... so cogent his discourse that he fails to realize that americans were the ones that broke open the free trade doors, americans are the ones that have these parts made in china and now americans are gonna be the ones to mindlessly lash out against it.

no one ever learns from history... a man named vincent chin was murdered by a father and son who worked at a chrystler plant in detroit. they thought he was japanese, they blamed all the plants closing on the japanese. but now it's ok to have japanese parts on al's car... just not american contracted chinese made ones.

i think i'm the only person that notices this... or maybe i'm the only one that will voice it. but if you haven't noticed... buschur's entire operation swings on the first movers advantage. who was the first to put out a mass produced exhaust for evos when they first hit our shores (besides the jdm companies that were hardly available and way expensive)? buschur racing did... who put out the first exhaust that FIT PERFECTLY? i'd have to say that's still up for debate, but i'd guess works, maybe turboxs without their lil sleave thing.

see works took a good long time to make their stuff fit, they put in a few extra degrees in bends (which doens't matter when it comes to a properly fitting piece) they made their hangers really beefy etc. br moved a lotta exhausts... he prolly still does. but over the years and it HAS been years already... he's made some refinements, he's had a few pieces come back to him that he's had to fix (maybe not exhausts but intercoolers and such yes???) and this is how br has to make their money... they gotta be the first and they try to keep it the cheapest... but you're not getting the final product yet... you get the final product after all the kinks are worked out.

 

+1. We all know what happens when we ASSume

 

Nothing to do with anything......... There !! Now the thread is complete big man.

 

this is called the evom shootout isn't it?

 

Shiv didn't name any names. It was Al who 'assumed' and bit from the previous thread.

 

What does this have to do with Tuning? I am done now, thanks....

 

The point of the thread is definitely about comparing tuners, sorry. It's return fire at Shiv.

And as far as interviewing, I was talking about formal surveys, scientific method, sample size, and controls. The sample size of these threads is far too small and I'll always stand behind the two facts that you don't know what's been done to the car since the target tuner last touched it nor what agenda the car owner may really have.

Speak of that which you know something about. And don't call me "kid".

 

Just by way of reference - IF this car has a ECUTEK REFLASH - it CAN NOT be tuned by the end user - only a ECUTEK tuner is able to change the reflash


IF the car has a Xede by Vishnu - then I will NOT attempt to retune it and the customer IS able to tune it himself

 

Just so you may be fully informed, most of the time when I am writing these posts I am watching Speed Channel and looking after my young daughter at the same time. I rarely take time to spell check or proof read and I am typing as fast as I can with my hunt and peck typing style.

What few of you realize is that I was an editior of a Law Journal in my law school days and I was published in a scholarly journal at that time, Allan Friedman, Note, Heir-Hunting Agreements: Recommendations for the Extension of Probate Court Jurisdiction, 6-7 Conn. Prob. L.J. 87, 92 (1991-1993), which was later cited and used by a state Supreme Court in a precident setting case. http://www.mrsc.org/mc/courts/suprem...27wn2d0124.htm.


My days of acedemia are long past, however, please do not assume I lack a command of the english langauge. Just becuase I choose to spend my time tuning evos does not mean I am a person who can not write in a inteligent manner when I am in the mood.

Pm what ever you want but lets try and keep it real and not allow your paranioa to take grip of youself.

 

That's a signature file if I ever saw one

On that note.. it's a saturday night guys. Go out and have some fun... I'm sure this thread will be here we we all get back

-shiv