I don't think he was assigning blame, he was providing information.

The question is, did Shiv tune the car because based upon the information from his posts he did not. I would say the ball is back in the owner's court to dispute said information.

 

This is great. Where have you been Jim? I feel like we're all part of some deformation of voltron where we all band together, but instead of helping the universe, our unity in one post usually ends up locking the post.
Hopefully it won't happen to this one, but all the familiar pieces are here, including the infamous boost leak accusation, all we're missing is Evo_kid, event_horizon, and the "nothing to do with anything" remarks from poormansracecar.

Hopefully this post won't get locked and we will get to the facts! Which will be EvoM first!

 

No problem, I was not saying he assigned blame. Perhaps I should not have quoted that particular post, but it's been mt experience that customers that end up with problems of whatever kind are often blamed for their problem by overzealous defenders of whatever tuner or shop is involved. I just hate to see that because I've been there and it's no fun at all. My reputation was finally vindicated on one episode because the bad guys imploded and ran off with ppls money, cars, etc. Al's friend's post about me choosing bad gasoline is still all over the forums quoted in somebody's signature and I don't appreciate it one bit... Just to be sure, I only want to say that the customer might not always be right, but is rarely completely to blame.

 

Well all I can say is we will prolly find out more next weekend when he goes back to Buschur. Im sure Dave will try to clear it up.

I think the main point of the thread, is keep other companys problems and ****ty jobs to yourself, because one day you just may be on the ****ty end.

 

I'm sorry Al, but that is absurd. You seem to be the one that starts the name calling. Sorry to go OT, but I couldn't let this one pass.

 

I agree.


Tuners do good customer service and enhance human experience when they help to inexpensively diagnose and resolve problems of car hobiests and make their cars run well. A simple, cost effective and feasable solution to a tuning problem is the mission of any good tuner.

Tuners who dramatize and exagerate a customer's problem in an attempt to turn it into a giant flame fest do a dis-service to both the effected customer and the car community in general

I have no intention to trash Shiv's work and try and tear apart a tune he did.

I am merely commenting to point out how ironic it is that now he is suddenly on the defensive trying to play spin doctor and do damage control when two weeks ago he was on the attack questioning my product and Buschur parts.

 

do you guys have stop?!?!?!?!?!?

i have never seen so much nonsense and hypocracy in my life...

and btw, we are all watching this thread and we will close it if it goes out of line (which we all know is going to happen in a few hours)

 

nm

 

Oh please



Cabo

 

Al, did you buy a new dictionary and thesaurus, I am having a hard time following your posts w/ all these BIG words

 

Before anyone thinks I have a side because of the comments I am going to make, I dont. I wont use anyone's tuning because I use an Autronic SM4 that can pretty much do it on its own. Furthermore the tuning that it will need will be done by me and a trusted associate because then there are only 2 people to blame ultimately. On to the statement:

This thread isnt about crappy tuning. This is not a case of he said/she said. The whole point (and it seems that many have missed it) is Shiv thought it was funny and advantageous to air dirty laundry (true or untrue) earlier. Now in attempt to let Shiv know how it feels to be bashed unreasonably (a boost leak or not) for things that may be beyond your control, Messr. Dave and Al have returned the favor.

Tuners come and go. Now if I worked on someones car (or any of us), that person drives off and races and shakes because it threw a wheelweight, does that give him the right to badmouth me to my customers and potential customers as someone who has no idea what he is doing? For something that cant be proven nor be quantified? I would think not.

THAT is the point gentlemen and ladies, mistakes happen all the time and no one can be directly blamed for failure. Accidents and badly assembled kits have nothing to do with the tuners. Shiv didnt see that to begin with, now karma has visited him. To his credit he is trying to figure out whats going on. But this thread most likely wouldnt have happened if he hadnt said anything negative in the first place. Karma means cause and effect, usually applied to our next life. Lennon named a principle of instant karma. This is a good as it gets. Mudslinging only hurts yourself, the more you open your mouth the worse it gets for you. It puts you on the defensive when your stuff malfunctions. Keep it closed to begin with, let talkers talk (internet warriors are worthless anyway, results always speak for themselves), and just do your business.

thank you for reading

 

John,
It would appear that Dave and Al picked a WRX that I may not have even tuned. Perhaps we could get to the bottom of the things if they provided what most would consider to be the basic necessary information. Until then, I think this thread is discrediting them more than anyone else. Karma is a b#$ch indeed.
-shiv

 

you know your on top when you get kicked from behind!

 

Just to clarify, on a metaphysical level, this whole Al/Shiv thing is more like the universe acting like a mirror (which it is). Shiv tried to poop on Al, now Al/Dave are trying to poop on Shiv.

Karma comes in large and small, it is a b1tch, however it usually doesn't happen same lifetime. If this is karma, it's from previous lives.

Now on to our regularly scheduled programs.

 

My point is not even if you custom tuned it to begin with. I dont think they have anymore egg on their face than you. Most likely what this has done is further insulated the loyalty's of your respective customer base, and alienated the rest of the buying public. Dont start things in the first place, that was my point. I am not picking on you Shiv, but you did start a thread about Al's abilities. They did it back. It doesnt make either of you right, but it didnt have to go down at all if you didnt want it to. Be the bigger man and ignore them completely. Let people talk about you if they want to. What does it really matter?

I mean I remember all of this from NASIOC as well. I remember the endless debates about how one of your custom tunes lost or made little power. Was it your fault? Maybe the car was screwed to begin with, but defending yourself and justifying yourself make you look weak. Why is it that half of this board is a Shiv vs. Al debate? Cause one of you starts it (and I know it goes both ways, dont get me wrong), but when you fan the flames the fire gets bigger. My advice is you can win by saying nothing, because in the end customers are not going to come from this site, but merely from satisfied customers.