Judge the tune, not the messanger....
Originally Posted by ballistic speed
This is so redicilous, you say that your not defaming shiv here but this is pure lible. You team up with David Buschur to pruposely defame shiv when you have NO evidence that this Subie was tuned by shiv, nor do you have any substancial evidence even suggesting this customer exisits and has had the car modifyed by shiv. Second off, I know shiv butts his head into where he shouldn't be butting into, but this is no case to be so harse on him. I have no ties to any of of you 3 companies. Your companies don't even work with my type of car, although no one is without bias, i can say i'm the least bias of all here. Shiv may have implied that you are not as good as a tuner as he is, and you have implies the same. But do not use that fact again in this thread as your are over emphasizing an opinion on a completely different case now. It's like saying i lied, but 10 other people saying i lied on different cases where i never lied but they were merly stating the first case where i lied. It over emphasizes it and it's damaging both reputations. Third, you say you won't throw dirt right in the last few sentences of your post. Yet you throw dirt right at him when you mention the infamous sparco incident that WAS NOT HIS FAULT, and the unpaid taxes which i do not under stand. NONE OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH THIS SUPPOSED TUNE THAT SHIV DID ON THIS CAR. I'm susprised no one has sued each other for lible yet, and i wouldn;t be susprised if this went even further to slanderous. You are so subjective, and i'm bring up another thread you made just to purely point out your subjectiveness, and that thread was the "Megan Racing products suck along with thier customer service", yes some of thier products suck but you bring up the exhuast which is has been continously imporved upon by thier customer service as evident by many evom members posting up positive feedback about thier CS and thier products. This is in no way to defame your status as a tuner nor shivs but to point out your "Buisness pratice" and how you and shiv conduct your selves in these forums. Both of you have made amazing breakthroughs in tuning. Why don't we just stop all of this untill we determin if the customer is real and if shiv has allready given the oppurtinity to fix this "problem".
1 - I did not team up with Mr. Buschur to defame Shiv - it was David's idea to make this thread and I had nothing to do with it. I am posting here just as you are for entertainment. BTW - I kind of like it that Mr. Buschur posted this and I have expressed my appreciation of that fact in this thread. I think it was a great idea.
2 - The "evidence" of who tuned the car is the following
A - Customer has been posting that he has a Vishnu Stage II for sevreal months on the subaru forum
B - Customer told Mr. Buschur and all those attending dyno day that he has Vishnu Stage II and flash
C - Parts said Vishnu on them
D - I trust what Mr. Buschur says 1,000 %
Short of a DNA test or a photograph of Shiv actually tuning the car i am at a loss how much more evidence you would require.
I guess when someone signs a contract they can always deny they signed it when questioned about it . . . . "thats not my signature"
So when you tune a car you can just deny it I guess . . . "I did not tune that car"
Like I said before, when i get there I will have some documentation on this subject
As for the Sparco incident - when someone places a temp sensor near an intake and uses corrected dyno figures which represnt a 168 degree ambeint temprature that is a fairly extreme case of dyno manipulation. I was not there that day so i really dont have any "evidence' of what went down, however, I do note that the President of Sparco clearly had nothing to gain in making the very serious accusation that he made.
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Alright David,
Let me get this straight:
First, LIFER doing 11.8@116 hardly bothers me. I did 11.9@115. Both are good runs.
Second, you state above that you could tell his motor was unhealthy, but gave him an aggressive tune anyway. He went out and within about two weeks, his motor blew. You were worried enough that you had him sign a special disclaimer? Not just a typical dyno disclaimer? If you look up his posts just before and after his after his motor blew, you get the impression that he had no idea something was wrong. He was posting up all over the place trying to figure out what was happening to his car. He sure never seemed like he knew his motor was on the way out.
Finally, Brandon doesn't seem too happy with his new 35R kit he bought from you. He just started a new thread and this was his first post:
Had this topic provided more information and readable charts and real data, I would have stayed out. Shiv certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles. But your post was just a hit piece without enough info for us to draw accurate conclusions.
Let me get this straight:
First, LIFER doing 11.8@116 hardly bothers me. I did 11.9@115. Both are good runs.
Second, you state above that you could tell his motor was unhealthy, but gave him an aggressive tune anyway. He went out and within about two weeks, his motor blew. You were worried enough that you had him sign a special disclaimer? Not just a typical dyno disclaimer? If you look up his posts just before and after his after his motor blew, you get the impression that he had no idea something was wrong. He was posting up all over the place trying to figure out what was happening to his car. He sure never seemed like he knew his motor was on the way out.
Finally, Brandon doesn't seem too happy with his new 35R kit he bought from you. He just started a new thread and this was his first post:
Had this topic provided more information and readable charts and real data, I would have stayed out. Shiv certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles. But your post was just a hit piece without enough info for us to draw accurate conclusions.
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smokedmustang-- If you really think I started this fight, you might want to re-read this thread again. As for your misfire, as I've said before in other threads, I don't know what is causing it. But it can really only be a few things: coils, plugs, plug wires or your HKS ignition unit. Start taking parts out/replacing them, one at a time until the misfire goes away. That's the only real advice I can give. If you were local, we could do it for you. But unfortunately, you're not. I understand your frustration but there is not much I can do other than give you some ideas on where to look. AMS should be reasonably close to you. Perhaps you could take it up to them for diagnosis.
Dave B-- Oh, so now you say that I might not have actually tuned this WRX myself? That is, he could just be running one of my reflashed ECUs that I mailed to him? If that is the case, he should be in our records. But he's not. Perhaps he purchased the ECU through someone else. Or maybe he bought it used. You have his number, right? Just call and ask him. Or give it to me since he is supposedly our customer. I tried to call you the other day for this info but apparantly you weren't available. It's really quite simple. In fact, getting to the bottom of that should take far less time than it would take to make another post on this thread.
Also, I really don't like arguing with you, Al or anyone else on the forum. It keeps all of us from doing things that are far more productive. Do you think you could provide this basic info and then get back to this thread? Ignore the off-topic remarks/comments from other people. They can be addressed on another thread if need be. This thread is about how much my tuning sucks. So let stay on subject.
If I personally tuned Andrew's car, I'll be more than happy to stand up for our product/service and do what I can to make sure he is taken care of. Even if this means coming out to Chicago and doing it myself for free. If not, I still hope he gets his ride sorted out. Whether it's by Al or anyone else. Everyone deserves to be happy with their car.
-shiv
P.S. purecoda-- It's a go. Midnight at the Members Only warehouse. Al better be careful, I'm an ambi-tuner.
Dave B-- Oh, so now you say that I might not have actually tuned this WRX myself? That is, he could just be running one of my reflashed ECUs that I mailed to him? If that is the case, he should be in our records. But he's not. Perhaps he purchased the ECU through someone else. Or maybe he bought it used. You have his number, right? Just call and ask him. Or give it to me since he is supposedly our customer. I tried to call you the other day for this info but apparantly you weren't available. It's really quite simple. In fact, getting to the bottom of that should take far less time than it would take to make another post on this thread.
Also, I really don't like arguing with you, Al or anyone else on the forum. It keeps all of us from doing things that are far more productive. Do you think you could provide this basic info and then get back to this thread? Ignore the off-topic remarks/comments from other people. They can be addressed on another thread if need be. This thread is about how much my tuning sucks. So let stay on subject.
If I personally tuned Andrew's car, I'll be more than happy to stand up for our product/service and do what I can to make sure he is taken care of. Even if this means coming out to Chicago and doing it myself for free. If not, I still hope he gets his ride sorted out. Whether it's by Al or anyone else. Everyone deserves to be happy with their car.
-shiv
P.S. purecoda-- It's a go. Midnight at the Members Only warehouse. Al better be careful, I'm an ambi-tuner.
Last edited by shiv@vishnu; Jan 29, 2006 at 04:39 PM.
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Second, you state above that you could tell his motor was unhealthy, but gave him an aggressive tune anyway. He went out and within about two weeks, his motor blew. You were worried enough that you had him sign a special disclaimer? Not just a typical dyno disclaimer? If you look up his posts just before and after his after his motor blew, you get the impression that he had no idea something was wrong. He was posting up all over the place trying to figure out what was happening to his car. He sure never seemed like he knew his motor was on the way out.
In fairness, I think that the above situation sounds similar to the Sti (forget his screen name, but there was plenty of drama) situation Shiv had where the kid said "turn up the wick" and Shiv expressed concerns. Sure enough, the kid (I think) ran a good time once before the engine went "boom."
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
-shiv
P.S. purecoda-- It's a go. Midnight at the Members Only warehouse. Al better be careful, I'm an ambi-tuner.
P.S. purecoda-- It's a go. Midnight at the Members Only warehouse. Al better be careful, I'm an ambi-tuner.
Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Also, I really don't like arguing with you, Al or anyone else on the forum. It keeps all of us from doing things that are far more productive. Do you think you could provide this basic info and then get back to this thread? Ignore the off-topic remarks/comments from other people. They can be addressed on another thread if need be. This thread is about how much my tuning sucks. So let stay on subject.
Also - the next time you find some customer with a boost leak or other problem maybe you should not turn it into a giant thread where you say negative comments about other tuners ?
Just some suggestions
Things have been very quite between us for the past few months up until this most recent episode which you provoked with your now famous thread. I would suggest that if you dont like broken windows stop throwing rocks around at other people's houses.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Shiv - calling Mr. Buschur a beer drinking hick driving a pick up truck and insinuating that he and I somehow falsify and mislead people concerning dyno testing of his products
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Also, you brought up Brandon and his 11.8 @ 116 mph pass. This just drives you nuts that he is that fast doesn't it? Since you want to bring up that story let me give you the entire story. If I don't comment on it I feel it looks like I am covering something up and I have NOTHING to cover. First off the car that Brandon (LIFER) has had a VPro on it from the last owner which I tuned. It was originally brought in from the original owner with I think an Emanage on it that ran like crap. He wanted the HKS VPro installed. He drove the car for however long and sold it to Brandon. Brandon did some other mods on the car after he bought it and the car started to run like crap. He called and asked if I would re-tune the car. I told him sure. He showed up to our shop claiming he was getting about 12 mpg since he added in a fuel pump. First thing I did was get the car running good again and then dyno'd it. I think that trip it made around 240 whp. The power seemed low BUT that was what I felt was safe watching the timing, AFR's etc. The car also had a lot of blow by as was apparent by the amount of oil and such under the hood. I was worried about trying to push this particular car further. Brandon left and then called and said his fuel mileage was over 20 mpg and he was pretty happy. He then sent me a PM that said something like this, "I am not really happy with the power that you made with my car when I was there. I didn't want to post this on EVOM and thought if I just contacted you about it we could work something out." I wrote him back, thanked him for contacting me privately and told him come back in and I would retune the car. When Brandon showed up I told him (Basic conversation here as I don't remember exactly), "I honestly don't feel making more power is safe with this car on pump gas." He said, "I know, you told me that before but I see cars making around 280 with my mods on your dyno and that's what I want." I tell him that's fine but I am going to write on your dyno waiver that I don't suggest tuning the car any further than it is and you will have to sign it. Brandon had no problem with that, signed the waiver, which I have and I tuned it. I think we actually ended up making 286 whp with the car. He was VERY happy with that and reported back later that he ended up running 11.8 at 116 mph.
A few weeks/month later Brandon called us and said he thought he may have blown up the engine in the car. I told him to bring it to the shop. The car had no signs of detonation as the cylinder walls looked good, pistons weren't "melted", no scoring on the skirts of the pistons and all the spark plugs were completely intact. If I remember right the 3# rod bearing had spun. That is all, one spun rod bearing. The remainder of the bearings were in good shape and they obviously had not been beaten out of the engine from it detonating.
Now, Smog, you have the entire story, next time you accuse me of blowing up a car or even hinting that I did please know all of the story.
On top of that, as far as I am concerned, had every piston in the car melted and the head blew off through the hood I had NO responsibility for it as I did warn Brandon and he did sign a waiver that was written out that I warned him. Luckily I was just being too conservative the first time and was able to make an additional 40 whp with NO damage from it
Brandon must be fairly happy with my abilities as he just bough a GT35R kit of our and is coming back for me to tune his new AEM EMS.
Brandon, LIFER, if you don't mind could you confirm all of this for me, if you are even keeping up on this thread.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
A few weeks/month later Brandon called us and said he thought he may have blown up the engine in the car. I told him to bring it to the shop. The car had no signs of detonation as the cylinder walls looked good, pistons weren't "melted", no scoring on the skirts of the pistons and all the spark plugs were completely intact. If I remember right the 3# rod bearing had spun. That is all, one spun rod bearing. The remainder of the bearings were in good shape and they obviously had not been beaten out of the engine from it detonating.
Now, Smog, you have the entire story, next time you accuse me of blowing up a car or even hinting that I did please know all of the story.
On top of that, as far as I am concerned, had every piston in the car melted and the head blew off through the hood I had NO responsibility for it as I did warn Brandon and he did sign a waiver that was written out that I warned him. Luckily I was just being too conservative the first time and was able to make an additional 40 whp with NO damage from it
Brandon must be fairly happy with my abilities as he just bough a GT35R kit of our and is coming back for me to tune his new AEM EMS.
Brandon, LIFER, if you don't mind could you confirm all of this for me, if you are even keeping up on this thread.
David Buschur
www.buschurracing.com
Secondly, I ran this car @ the strip 14 times in 4 hours the night I ran the 116 traps. I strongly believe me beating the hell out of the car caused it to spin bearing's, and it it no way reflect's a bad tune.
Originally Posted by Smogrunner
Alright David,
Let me get this straight:
First, LIFER doing 11.8@116 hardly bothers me. I did 11.9@115. Both are good runs.
Second, you state above that you could tell his motor was unhealthy, but gave him an aggressive tune anyway. He went out and within about two weeks, his motor blew. You were worried enough that you had him sign a special disclaimer? Not just a typical dyno disclaimer? If you look up his posts just before and after his after his motor blew, you get the impression that he had no idea something was wrong. He was posting up all over the place trying to figure out what was happening to his car. He sure never seemed like he knew his motor was on the way out.
Finally, Brandon doesn't seem too happy with his new 35R kit he bought from you. He just started a new thread and this was his first post:
Had this topic provided more information and readable charts and real data, I would have stayed out. Shiv certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles. But your post was just a hit piece without enough info for us to draw accurate conclusions.
Let me get this straight:
First, LIFER doing 11.8@116 hardly bothers me. I did 11.9@115. Both are good runs.
Second, you state above that you could tell his motor was unhealthy, but gave him an aggressive tune anyway. He went out and within about two weeks, his motor blew. You were worried enough that you had him sign a special disclaimer? Not just a typical dyno disclaimer? If you look up his posts just before and after his after his motor blew, you get the impression that he had no idea something was wrong. He was posting up all over the place trying to figure out what was happening to his car. He sure never seemed like he knew his motor was on the way out.
Finally, Brandon doesn't seem too happy with his new 35R kit he bought from you. He just started a new thread and this was his first post:
Had this topic provided more information and readable charts and real data, I would have stayed out. Shiv certainly doesn't need me to fight his battles. But your post was just a hit piece without enough info for us to draw accurate conclusions.
Yes my turbo is fubar, but david has already told me he would make it right...
I Will continue to buy Buschur's part's, because I trust them, and I know David will stand behing them.
Al,
I have stayed out of these past two threads. However, that does not mean that I have not read every single post, and been marveled by your attitude, your ability to sway the uninformed with your ostentatious mud slinging, and last but not least your typing skills and overall command of the English language. Ok, so maybe there is only truth to the first two. With that said, there is a reason for finally clicking away at the keyboard.
After post 203, I searched for a number of different permutations in the EVOM quick search, using the following words: Buschur, Hick, Beer, Shiv, Driving, truck. Yet, for some odd reason I can't find Shiv calling David a hick anywhere.
The only reason I searched was because after being friends with Shiv for almost 5 years now, I have never heard him use the word hick to describe anyone. Hell, my brother is a professional bull rider, and I have never even heard Shiv call him a "beer drinking, pick up driving hick." Although, my brother probably would take delight in such a description.
But I guess while I am posting, I may want to bring up a few other things that have nothing to do with the technical bits of either threads, but more so on the reasoning of each thread. The road tune thread was validated by the owner of the vehicle, meaning that each side had some closure (despite the picture you tried to paint). However, this thread was started, and Shiv legitimately has tried to do everything in his power to help our customer. We have searched for information regarding his vehicle, searched for his contact information in our systems, and asked David Buschur and yourself for the information, so that we can get the situation resolved. Hell, Shiv personally CALLED David to ask him about the situation. David could not make himself available. So, despite our efforts, we cannot find very much information about this person, he is not in our systems, and of course neither You or Dave will offer this information. How are we supposed to find closure knowing that one of our “customers” is not happy with the products on his vehicle?
In summary, I would just like the answers or responses on the following subjects.
1. Where did Shiv call Dave a “Beer drinking, truck driving hick?” A simple link to the thread will suffice.
2. Can you or David please PM me the contact information of “our customer.” You have always preached about how there should be a certain level of respect between tuners, perhaps you can set a precedent?
Please do not try to drag me into this thread, because I will not play. I just want the answers to the subjects listed above. But, if you do feel so inclined to name call, I will offer a few to get the fire started.
I am skinny. I do have bleach streaks in my hair. I do surf. I do work for Shiv. But more importantly, I am college educated, so if you plan on pulling the wool over my eyes, you better lay it on pretty thick.
Take care,
I have stayed out of these past two threads. However, that does not mean that I have not read every single post, and been marveled by your attitude, your ability to sway the uninformed with your ostentatious mud slinging, and last but not least your typing skills and overall command of the English language. Ok, so maybe there is only truth to the first two. With that said, there is a reason for finally clicking away at the keyboard.
After post 203, I searched for a number of different permutations in the EVOM quick search, using the following words: Buschur, Hick, Beer, Shiv, Driving, truck. Yet, for some odd reason I can't find Shiv calling David a hick anywhere.
The only reason I searched was because after being friends with Shiv for almost 5 years now, I have never heard him use the word hick to describe anyone. Hell, my brother is a professional bull rider, and I have never even heard Shiv call him a "beer drinking, pick up driving hick." Although, my brother probably would take delight in such a description.
But I guess while I am posting, I may want to bring up a few other things that have nothing to do with the technical bits of either threads, but more so on the reasoning of each thread. The road tune thread was validated by the owner of the vehicle, meaning that each side had some closure (despite the picture you tried to paint). However, this thread was started, and Shiv legitimately has tried to do everything in his power to help our customer. We have searched for information regarding his vehicle, searched for his contact information in our systems, and asked David Buschur and yourself for the information, so that we can get the situation resolved. Hell, Shiv personally CALLED David to ask him about the situation. David could not make himself available. So, despite our efforts, we cannot find very much information about this person, he is not in our systems, and of course neither You or Dave will offer this information. How are we supposed to find closure knowing that one of our “customers” is not happy with the products on his vehicle?
In summary, I would just like the answers or responses on the following subjects.
1. Where did Shiv call Dave a “Beer drinking, truck driving hick?” A simple link to the thread will suffice.
2. Can you or David please PM me the contact information of “our customer.” You have always preached about how there should be a certain level of respect between tuners, perhaps you can set a precedent?
Please do not try to drag me into this thread, because I will not play. I just want the answers to the subjects listed above. But, if you do feel so inclined to name call, I will offer a few to get the fire started.
I am skinny. I do have bleach streaks in my hair. I do surf. I do work for Shiv. But more importantly, I am college educated, so if you plan on pulling the wool over my eyes, you better lay it on pretty thick.
Take care,
[QUOTE=shiv@vishnu]smokedmustang-- If you really think I started this fight, you might want to re-read this thread again. As for your misfire, as I've said before in other threads, I don't know what is causing it. But it can really only be a few things: coils, plugs, plug wires or your HKS ignition unit. Start taking parts out/replacing them, one at a time until the misfire goes away. That's the only real advice I can give. If you were local, we could do it for you. But unfortunately, you're not. I understand your frustration but there is not much I can do other than give you some ideas on where to look. AMS should be reasonably close to you. Perhaps you could take it up to them for diagnosis.
Thanks as always Shiv, again, I am not unhappy with your products, or your tune, I have respect for ALL of you involved in this thread, and I believe in "different strokes for different folks", but I personally dont like the attacks back and forth. I wasn't referring to this thread about "tossing the first stone", it was a few weeks ago. It doesn't matter. I am just reporting as someone from the "outside" looking "in, thatthis back and forth bickering wont help any of you gain loyalty and respect. There are people just signing in now, who just bought an Evo 9, and are thinking: "who whould be a great tuner for my car?" This kind of activity would turn some people away. Thats all I am trying to say. It is not your job to trouble-shoot my problem with my car, and you have answered questions, and even called me about it, so has Dustin, and I appreciate that also. I will get the problem sorted out.
Dont take what I say as a "bash" to anyone here, it is just a "cant we all get along" mention, as your next buyer of your parts, may be reading this, and getting a bad taste in their mouths! Take it for whats its worth, or just tell me to "stick-it"!
Later,
Kevin
P.S. Never saw Zoolander, but I get it, and thats pretty funny.
Sorry Dustin, I put Calvin, my bad!
Thanks as always Shiv, again, I am not unhappy with your products, or your tune, I have respect for ALL of you involved in this thread, and I believe in "different strokes for different folks", but I personally dont like the attacks back and forth. I wasn't referring to this thread about "tossing the first stone", it was a few weeks ago. It doesn't matter. I am just reporting as someone from the "outside" looking "in, thatthis back and forth bickering wont help any of you gain loyalty and respect. There are people just signing in now, who just bought an Evo 9, and are thinking: "who whould be a great tuner for my car?" This kind of activity would turn some people away. Thats all I am trying to say. It is not your job to trouble-shoot my problem with my car, and you have answered questions, and even called me about it, so has Dustin, and I appreciate that also. I will get the problem sorted out.
Dont take what I say as a "bash" to anyone here, it is just a "cant we all get along" mention, as your next buyer of your parts, may be reading this, and getting a bad taste in their mouths! Take it for whats its worth, or just tell me to "stick-it"!
Later,
Kevin
P.S. Never saw Zoolander, but I get it, and thats pretty funny.
Sorry Dustin, I put Calvin, my bad!
Last edited by smokedmustang; Jan 29, 2006 at 06:39 PM.
Originally Posted by purecoda
----------------Al^-----------------------------------------Shiv^---------------------
THAT'S a walk off.
(Don't forget afterwards, they become really good friends.)
I will say one more thing if I may, I believe in full disclosure. I and most of us on here, don't care who the car belongs to, pm the info to Vishnu but as they (Shiv and Dustin) have called me when I had issues with my car (not tune related), they were on the phone with me to help me trouble shoot my "issues". Even after I installed V3 in my car, my mechanic took it out for a test drive, and the car died. I was at work, called Calvin, he picked up the phone and called my Mechanic on the side of the road to troubleshoot. (was an IC pipe which blew off). I think it would be professional to relay the persons info to the Vishnu camp, so they can help him like they helped me (if he wants it). Enough from me on this topic. It is late, and I am cranky!
Later! 
I will be on other threads helping out where I can, find me there!
Later!
I will be on other threads helping out where I can, find me there!