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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 05:41 PM
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I hope so. No word on the date yet.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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Is there ever going to be a relevant post in this thread for a stock bottom, cammed (264's or 272's), walbro'd, 3" TBE'd car...probably not. The 80% commoners are not sexy. The 20% that run alky/race gas/both are...sexy sells, so sexy wins. Dave is busy with proving his gt35 kit; again, the sexy factor.

Until some of the 80% commoners get this and are either disappointed (ala 20g-8 or 20g-9-6 and to some extent 20g-9-5) or satisfied that it does work on normal pisstane gas at some pressure less than diamond making levels, we'll not know.

So remember this...modded to the hilt=sexy and that will be catered to.. Normal bolt-ons=not sexy...even though the market is potentially bigger with non-sexy, it will never hold the attention of (ahem) marketers.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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I'll take 1. But I can wait, the racing season is over for me as of sunday .

DAVE... I MUST HAVE 10's
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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As has been said over and over, these turbos are not intended to make big power increases on pump gas. Where the big power increases come from are being able to hold higher boost at higher RPMs than the stock turbos . . .

If you want big power on pump gas - get a GT35R or GT37R and you should be good for 400-500 whp on 93 octane. Or save yourself $2000 and get a 20G and AI and make close to 400whp on 93 octane +meth.

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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by EVOlutionary
As has been said over and over, these turbos are not intended to make big power increases on pump gas. Where the big power increases come from are being able to hold higher boost at higher RPMs than the stock turbos . . .

If you want big power on pump gas - get a GT35R or GT37R and you should be good for 400-500 whp on 93 octane. Or save yourself $2000 and get a 20G and AI and make close to 400whp on 93 octane +meth.

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This has been explained time in and time out however people still act like the 20Gs out were suppose to make great power on pump.

Everyone here is a little more excited about this new turbo because it utilizes a DIFFERENT TURBINE WHEEL. That is the key to making the extra power on pump. The 20G-9 and 8 was just a stock turbo with 20G Compressor wheel. This new turbo is 20G Compressor with custom turbine wheel (presumably bigger and better flowing), which indeed should make a noticeable improvement on pump gas. If this turbo can flow a hair more air AND hold 22-23psi to redline it should make 30whp easy on pump and I think thats what most people are looking for.

However, I 99.9% doubt Buschur or any other vendor is going to test a normal bolt on flashed EVO with this turbo to prove anything. Someone is going to have to be the test pig and do it themselves. Id love to see this turbo on my car on pump since Im basically maxxed out on pump gas.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:50 PM
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Is it just me or are u a little bitter too that less then a year ago we bought the
20g-9-5 and now he has a new one. damn!
And u know what? in another yr from now there will probably be another. or an updated version. Thats just how things work. Evolution over time,haha.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
Id love to see this turbo on my car on pump since Im basically maxxed out on pump gas.
Me too!!! Im still dreamin til then. I dont want a big turbo on my EVO. My GT3076R on my 1g is laggy enough and dont want that for my EVO. 500RPMs is different then 1000-1200 RPMs in spool.
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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
The 20G-9 and 8 was just a stock turbo with 20G Compressor wheel. This new turbo is 20G Compressor with custom turbine wheel (presumably bigger and better flowing), which indeed should make a noticeable improvement on pump gas. If this turbo can flow a hair more air AND hold 22-23psi to redline it should make 30whp easy on pump and I think thats what most people are looking for.
TECHNICALLY, the original 20G-6 from Buschur was a 20G, however, the new turbo (even though he still calls it a 20G) is not. It's the White Rabbit compressor wheel adapted to the Evo 9 turbo but with a slightly clipped turbine side. The WR comp wheel is a proprietary 5 bladed wheel developed by Forced Performance.

The WR has been shown to make more on pump, but it especially likes the high boost numbers that can be run with higher octane fuels. It will be interesting to see how this new LT version works out.

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Old Oct 24, 2006 | 11:12 PM
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this turbo is a waste of money for guys with MR's that want 1/4 mile numbers, hook up some alky or race gas to your stock turbo- push the boost up and change your rev limiter to 8100rpms and then go run a 11.5 at 118-119 (the end of 4th gear) and a perfect time before needing a roll cage
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by thatsMR2u
this turbo is a waste of money for guys with MR's that want 1/4 mile numbers, hook up some alky or race gas to your stock turbo- push the boost up and change your rev limiter to 8100rpms and then go run a 11.5 at 118-119 (the end of 4th gear) and a perfect time before needing a roll cage
I personally would never run 8100rpm on a stock valvetrain.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 06:31 AM
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the new LT is trapping 126-128 though. even for us regular evo's im sure that it would still at least trap 125 which will take you farther than 11.5

more like 11.1-11.3 with alky or race gas of course.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by althemean
I personally would never run 8100rpm on a stock valvetrain.
8100 isnt bad. There are guys that have been going to 8500 on stock valvetrain. The most Id rev to is 8500 but when I do get a bigger turbo Ill go to around 8000. However in order to hit those high traps and really get the most out of 4th, my rev limit will be set at 8500.
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Kee1pride
the new LT is trapping 126-128 though. even for us regular evo's im sure that it would still at least trap 125 which will take you farther than 11.5

more like 11.1-11.3 with alky or race gas of course.
125 on 93 pump only???
Really think so???

Like I said before though, this turbo should add a good dollop of torque midrange which is much more important for those of us with stock block daily's
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Kee1pride
the new LT is trapping 126-128 though. even for us regular evo's im sure that it would still at least trap 125 which will take you farther than 11.5

more like 11.1-11.3 with alky or race gas of course.
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125 on 93 pump only???
Really think so???

Like I said before though, this turbo should add a good dollop of torque midrange which is much more important for those of us with stock block daily's
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Old Oct 25, 2006 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kee1pride
Chill birdy.... didn't read it properly
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