Whats new with the new 20g
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
Thanks for the input Curt, can't wait for you to get back to the track with it!
trynidex, not sure who you are referring to doing testing improperly, probably me. So let me go into that. IF I truly thought that making 10 runs on each part I test would make a difference in the outcome then I would do more than 2-3 pulls per test. The fact is if you aren't changing the tune the dyno numbers are not going to change if you have the coolant and air temps the same on the test runs. Doing pull after pull after pull is just stupid. I don't see anyone else stepping up with doing the testing I do (well recently there have been some copy cats trying their hand at it). This takes a toll on my time, income of the shop and my own car. I have, I would guess, in excess of a 1,000 dyno pulls on my RS. It wouldn't surprise me to find well over 1,000 actually. That is a hell of a lot of testing. It also explains why we can go faster with less than anyone else.
You can only test a header, intercooler, brake rotors, i/c pipes, filters etc. so many ways. It either makes power or it doesn't, there aren't that many variables. If you add a part and it is really nuts you will see a change in AFR's and then it would require a re-tune. Most of the parts I have tested are minor changes and if you bolt on a header that picks up 6 hp or an intercooler that gains 20, I hate to tell all of you but the chances of the AFR's changing are pretty damn slim, if there is a change it is in TENTHS of a percent and not worthy of adjusting.
If it is boost you gain during the test guess what? The freaking part you just changed MADE POWER, turning the boost down is STUPID. It was boost that was there already and backed up somewhere, take it, it's free!
trynidex, not sure who you are referring to doing testing improperly, probably me. So let me go into that. IF I truly thought that making 10 runs on each part I test would make a difference in the outcome then I would do more than 2-3 pulls per test. The fact is if you aren't changing the tune the dyno numbers are not going to change if you have the coolant and air temps the same on the test runs. Doing pull after pull after pull is just stupid. I don't see anyone else stepping up with doing the testing I do (well recently there have been some copy cats trying their hand at it). This takes a toll on my time, income of the shop and my own car. I have, I would guess, in excess of a 1,000 dyno pulls on my RS. It wouldn't surprise me to find well over 1,000 actually. That is a hell of a lot of testing. It also explains why we can go faster with less than anyone else.
You can only test a header, intercooler, brake rotors, i/c pipes, filters etc. so many ways. It either makes power or it doesn't, there aren't that many variables. If you add a part and it is really nuts you will see a change in AFR's and then it would require a re-tune. Most of the parts I have tested are minor changes and if you bolt on a header that picks up 6 hp or an intercooler that gains 20, I hate to tell all of you but the chances of the AFR's changing are pretty damn slim, if there is a change it is in TENTHS of a percent and not worthy of adjusting.
If it is boost you gain during the test guess what? The freaking part you just changed MADE POWER, turning the boost down is STUPID. It was boost that was there already and backed up somewhere, take it, it's free!
no i wasn't referring to you but to the industry in general... there's plenty of people practicing bad science and plenty of people saying that dynos are too much one thing and not saying they're something else. the fact is they are a tool, they're only as good as the user and they're only good within CONTEXT. people throw around dyno numbers like they means something... most of the time they don't at least not to us... they only means something to the person that dynoed it... the comparison factor is SO played up when it should be played down.
having one car going from mod to mod displaying staged upgrades is fine. but trying to reach out and make umbrella statements is not and in the end that's what EVERYONE ends up doing. what needs to be said is that one person got this on one dyno with one tune with one set of parts. make the decision yourself. don't make the "data" make the decision for you because in the end the data has to be INTERPRETTED and as we all know... everyone's got about 10 bucks in 2 cents to dish out otherwise this forum wouldn't be makin' so much money.
if you do it right you can compare minute details. if you do it right then the data is there to be interpretted. but everyone is going about both sides of everything the wrong way...
Last edited by trinydex; Oct 12, 2006 at 02:26 AM.
Originally Posted by trinydex
yeh is this a good pump gas turbo?
Originally Posted by TurboIX
On pump gas how much more power does it make over stock turbo...Same exact setup on both Turbos.
Race gas and Alky and 400-500whp isnt for everyone..Just the average joe here lol.
Race gas and Alky and 400-500whp isnt for everyone..Just the average joe here lol.
Originally Posted by Soon2BEVO
Theres 2 of these turbos in existence... no pump numbers yet. Lets hope it does though since thats what 90% of people on here are looking for.
Originally Posted by mracing5625
how much will the 20g-9lt come out for? when will be out (date, so i can go pick it up 
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Still no pump gas numbers huh? The current 20G-9-5 IMO is not worth the $$$ if all you plan to run is 93 octane. Add alky and the thing is supposed to be sick but many of us dont run alky on our DDs so what will sell this turbo to me and many others I am sure are these elusive pump gas numbers. Sorry, I am being impatient. But the 3065 is too laggy for me and this new 20G might be the perfect turbo set up for me.
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
The pipe will bolt to the EVO9 housing but it will not come out in the same location, so it doesn't work well.
Originally Posted by TURBevO8
Still no pump gas numbers huh? The current 20G-9-5 IMO is not worth the $$$ if all you plan to run is 93 octane. Add alky and the thing is supposed to be sick but many of us dont run alky on our DDs so what will sell this turbo to me and many others I am sure are these elusive pump gas numbers. Sorry, I am being impatient. But the 3065 is too laggy for me and this new 20G might be the perfect turbo set up for me.
Originally Posted by TURBevO8
Still no pump gas numbers huh? The current 20G-9-5 IMO is not worth the $$$ if all you plan to run is 93 octane. Add alky and the thing is supposed to be sick but many of us dont run alky on our DDs so what will sell this turbo to me and many others I am sure are these elusive pump gas numbers. Sorry, I am being impatient. But the 3065 is too laggy for me and this new 20G might be the perfect turbo set up for me.
This 20G seems more promising but until we see some numbers, we wont know, and I hate speculating, then getting excited and let down.
Who knows, maybe this turbo will be like the 20G-9-5 in terms of only making more power at higher boost levels but will provide even more top end than the 20G-9-5. I definitely hope that is not the case. My stock turbo is maxxed to sh*t on pump right now. I went 116 on pump so far but Im pretty sure it can do 117. If I can bolt on this turbo only (and some sort of LICP solution of course) and do 120mph traps, Im sold.
Remember fellas, we shouldnt be saying.. no pump gas numbers yet... there are only two of these turbos in existence and the 2 guys who have them are full built EVOs that usually only run race gas (Buschur and Curt Brown).
Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I'd not expect the elusive "pump gas numbers" for at least a couple months on a "normal" daily driver. As in when customer's start getting them in their hands, and get them tuned. David and Curt are "race car" guys, or at the extreme top end of the spectrum. You can't expect a race shop to always run out and find a car to test on pump pee. Regardless of the fact that 97% of people run that fuel exclusively.
Last edited by Zeus; Oct 12, 2006 at 10:27 AM.
Originally Posted by Zeus
You can't expect a race shop to always run out and find a car to test on pump pee. Regardless of the fact that 97% of people run that fuel exclusively.
