You know this for a fact? Doesnt sound like it to me. Either way, if it was a BOLT-ON FP GREEN... I think that'd be pretty awesome as the Green is a well accomplished powerful turbo for DSMs.

 

Why do you doubt me? Because it's being passed off as this all new and exciting turbo when in fact it isn't?

And yeah people got good times with the FP Green but it did suffer from lag and bad transient response just like any large non-bb turbo. Put it on a DSM? Yes. On my EVO? Hell no!

 

500 RPM over the stock turbo is not that much lag.

 

I thought it was 500rpm over the current 20g-9? Has it changed? I remember people saying they saw full boost at 4400-4600rpms on the Green with a 2.0L which in my eyes isn't acceptable also when you add in the slow transient response. And I don't see too many people bolting non-bb 50 trims to there EVO's these days for the obvious reasons...

 

I think you may be right. The FP greens are TD06 turbine wheels with Garrett compressor wheels and are non-bb...seem to flow the same as a 50-trim 47-49lb/min and rate 400-450whp. Considering DB says this LT stands for "large turbine" I think you got the general picture down.

I thought at first I liked the idea of this turbo. But for a non-bb 50trim imitation...I dont know. Transient response is important enough to me to sway my opinion. But at this point its all guessing.....Just like with all of DB's turbos...the hype grows. The man knows how to market...i'll give him that.

Lets get these things out there and start the real-world testing!!

 

I doubt you because Curt Brown said it spools like stock. That guy is not one to make things up. If it sucked, he'd say it. Also, the FP Green is an incredible turbo... not just a regular one. Its got low 10s, I think even 9s and still spools pretty well on a DSM with lower compression.


Until Buschur says its a Green... then its not.

 

Its not going to be a green. Dave has already stated the turbo uses the same comporessor wheel as the current 20g. And he has stated the new name will likely be called 20gLT. LT=large turbine.

 

Well then I guess you'll believe anything.

So it's a turbo that supports 500hp, is a pump gas monster and spools like stock but is non ball bearing... hmmm... So it can basically do better than a bb 50 trim can while it's not ball bearing... M'kay!

 

So I guess Rob at FP the engineer behind the turbo was lying to me? And so the specs that I am hearing are even less believable if it is in fact a 20g compressor wheel since the 50 trim wheel is rated at 50lbs/min and the 20g is rated at 44lbs/min.

 

notice he never said it is stock spool....FEELS like.....

I think in another thread DB even said it was slightly slower spool than the current 20G.

And the large turbine.....that goes along with the FP greens being fitted with the LARGER TD06 turbine wheel.

To me this seems the next logical step in the evolution of these bolt-ons. FP has all these offerings for the DSM and STI....this being a green/green variant seems to fit in with their products, granted DB may like to call it 20G-9-5-LT since he has a hand in developing it.

One thing is for sure. Calling it a green would help to eliminate all the acronyms we have...20G-9-5, 20G-9-5-LT, TME, WR, 20G-8, know what I mean? For newbies..following/learning all the turbos and variations of stock turbos that are available can be daunting, especially if you know very little about cars. But thats totally off subject....

 

kee1pride,

Nicely written and I don't find it offensive.

Truth is I don't have the new turbos to sell. Everyone else has started the big buzz about them. We have only put out a little information to keep it from being a PITA for us since we don't have any product. The new turbo has proven itself already, 10.8 at 127 on my car, 10.5 at 129 on Curt's car.

The new records with our GT35R increased those sales, so it is important that we prove that our kit is as good as anyone's. That is why I am focused on it right now.

 

Maybe Im just a little excited, but to say Ill believe anything is a little far fetched if you knew me. For one, like a guy said a couple posts up, Buschur said it uses teh 20G wheel.. just using a larger turbine... Secondly, a 50trim would spool no where near or seem like stock, which Curt Brown mentioned.

That is why I doubt you and that is where I have an idea that it is not a Green turbo.

Also, if Buschur did create somehow a 50trim compressor wheel and a larger turbine wheel in the housing there, it could potentially spool up like a BB 50trim even though it isnt because it would be twin scroll design unlike any other BB 50trim kit out there.

 

So what about this guy telling us its a Green turbo Can you comment on that.

 

Why all of a sudden do I feel like the truth was just revealed? The Green was a fantastic turbo for the time, but this is ten years later and for many, lag is not overrated. I wonder if this is an appeasment tactic, albeit a viable one for some.

 

we know its not a 50trim wheel. Its the 20G-5 blade compressor...hence the 20G-9-5-LT. We also know Dave said it has a larger turbine...hence the LT designation.

From this, we can gather a 20G-5 bladed compressor wheel, Evo 9 compressor housing, and some form of larger turbine wheel. From info we know about the TD05 turbine wheel in the current 20G-9-5 is that it is at its limit. They have clipped it, reworked it to the max. This new large turbine is most likely going to be a TD06 size. Basing info from Forced Performance's site.. this fits in with how they make the green turbos. Granted some of their greens use Garret compressor wheels, it is still an upgraded wheel like the 20G we use (that FP made and at first was called a white rabbit.)

IMO its a shame they couldnt make this a ball bearing turbo. Why base it off a TME when they are using a different compressor wheel and turbine wheel all together. All you would have left is a light weight shaft. Firgure you take one of these from DB at $1700 and then send it to EVO400 in the U.K. to have the conversion done at roughly $1000 plus S&H. You spent 3K on a bolt on ball bearing turbo when you could've bought a kit. But a 3K bolt-on ball bearing using stock manifold with near stock spool and stock heatshields. It could appeal to some.