What are you implying? With 536whp 500wtq my car went 10.3@132.93mph. After I exceeded 520wtq I smoked a brand new exedy twin at the track on the first launch.Keep your snide comments to yourself.

 

Ryu,

I understand what you're saying.. we have had a lot of people here that have had the "ladder method" to their mods... always going for more

however, we have had a lot of people who just want to meet their goals, and then enjoy the car. My IX was 37xwhp on pump here, and I had it that way for some time... I didn't want to have any more power, because I knew the tradeoffs that came with it. It was my DD, and it suited me perfectly. We have many clients who are that way.

Different strokes for different folks! Oh, and btw, your car is damn fast, no matter the dyno numbers or stock block, or whatever. Keep it up man!!!

Caleb

 

I don't care how fast your car went. I'm saying with 576wtq with the stock block is a death wish and for what I see you been running the stock block for quite some time. So with 576wtq those numbers are scewed or your not on the stock block. Is your car a DD?


Like I said before so this doesn't go off topic. I would go with the BBK and when/if you want to upgrade just go with the BBK-XL when it comes out.

 

Thanks Caleb. You guys have a great looking product on your hands and I am in no way trying to take away from it. Originally the op wanted 450whp on pump but then stated 400whp with sort of an I'm settling demeanor. 450whp is fully attainable with the red on pump with proper supporting mods.

If the op is truley only looking for 400whp range on pump then I agree with the bbk option, but I think based on his original unedited post he will soon want more.

 

Love my BBK- if someday I build my block to 2.3L and build my tranny ( its a 6 speed) and go for big power I'll convert by BBK to the XL version if I feel the need to- otherwise, I prefer the quick spool- making great power on 91+ meth at 28.5 psi (stock wastegate holds fine btw).

 

Yes my car is 100% stock internals. Neither my head nor my oil pan have ever been unbolted from the car. I will gladly bet anyone who thinks differently $5k and I will gladly pull the head immediately and post video online. If the head comes off something better is going in and I could use that $5k to build an all out 2.2L as I would like to do.

I drive it all week to work and during the weekends on family outings. I thoroughly enjoy the car by beating on it every single day I drive it. My street tune peaks around 37psi and put down 560whp 520wtq on 93oct+ meth injection. my track tune peaks around 40.5psi and put down 590whp 576wtq on 110oct+ meth injection. I have not been back to the track with it yet due to clutch issues that have finally now been resolved. It should be close to edging out a very high 9 as it sits now. I'll hopefully find out before this month is out.

I apologize to the OP for going off topic. My previous post states my final opinion in this thead. Good luck on which ever you choose.

 

The key to remaining satisfied with a power level are (a) never ride in a faster car, and (b) never race a faster car. For those who mostly daily drive their cars, this is easy to do. The problem is when you get on the drag strip or the road course and you get walked by modded Z06s, GT3 RSs, Ferrari Challenge cars, etc. Then goals go out the window and you just want more more more! Of course, I'm just speaking hypothetically

 

I couldn't agree more, I've had several big turbo setups on my DSMs, but I never crossed the line of building a "race car" by putting a cage in or gutting the car. Looking back, my favorite setup was my stock appearing 14b setup, it was low buck, simple to put together, never broke, and spooled instantly.

Now that I've got the EVO, I decided to follow a similar path, using the BBK lite for the most stock-like spool, I can jump in and drive it daily if I wanted to without worrying about grenading parts, sure the temptation is always there to want more power but I've seen far too many friends go off the deep end with mods only to grow tired of the headaches and part out.

 

I see where you're coming from.. let's not forget, I have driven faster cars, and I was perfectly happy with my setup. If he's going to spend some time on the track, then yes, the draw toward more and more is inevitable. If it's 95% a street/true daily driven car, then it's easier to weigh the pros and cons of power/delivery. For me, as a true daily driven car (18k in a year), my choice was clear.


Both are great products that fit the needs of the end user.


Take care,

Caleb

 

Nice font coloring Caleb

I've been meaning to call you guys, I've been so ridiculously busy lately. I need things to settle down a bit!

 

Aaawww fooooey! your shat is slow

OP. I all ways say to each his own. You sir are lucky to get this much info thrown at you. I think most would agree and like CBRD said, you need to really know your short and long term goals. Find a good tuner who you trust and knows your car. i did. And im very happy with the way my car runs. I would vote red, but then again i drag race. good luck and hope you meet your goal.

 

voted BBK

 

CAN'T AGREE MORE VERY TRUE!!!

The thing is though, if you believe that you will need more power after some time then why not change the turbo with the newly added parts???

Sure, I know that changing the turbo will be costly, but dont forget that reaching sky-high power will lead to buying an intake manifold, exhaust manifold, TB, agressive cams, and in many cases, changing the bottom end and tranny too!!! ALL OF WHICH ARE CALLED "COSTLY" I THINK AS WELL!!!

There are many people looking for used Reds now, and by the time you grow bigger, there will be many Evomers looking for a BBK that meets thier criteria too... That's if you'll not upgrade it to the BBK-XL/B/Giant/Scary or whatever it will be called!!!

THINKING FOR NOW, why take the drawbacks of a bigger turbo(lag, powerband) when you can change it some day??? why not have the best setup for today to have the blast of your life and save your rebellious thoughts for more power for tomorrow untill it comes????? Who knows, may be you'll get stuck in another financial crunch and deprive yourself from both the good setup (now), and the hope for going more (tomorrow)

You will FOR SURE, have a bigger room for tomorrow, but you will FOR SURE carry their drawbacks today!!

Personally, I will be going BBK-Full, and once I build my car (to avoid headache at least) I will go Black or whatever turbo that will be dominating by then!

thats my contribution,,, I hope it helps!!!

 

If your car feels slow....then stop driving it for a few weeks if its an option. If you jump in it again it will feel like new money.

Caleb what is the deal on the next variant of the BBK. Not like i need more more choices to make my decision harder but right now the HTA green and Red look more viable for my HP goals. I'm (im)patiently waiting on the next BBK so I have more trouble deciding. lol.

 

I kinda disagree. I thinking building the tranny/tcase, going with good cams (aka aggressive), intake manifold, upgraded IC/Fuel, TB, tubular exhaust manifold.....all benefit stockframe turbos as well. Esp. if you are trying to get very close to the cliff but don't want to jump off.

hell if you do all those mods and run E85/meth you can get close to 400hp (in some cases meet and/or exceed that goal) leaving the turbo choice easier at the point. I'm halfway there. I'm just doing a bigger IC and leavingthe intake mani and TB as the last upgrades if I don't meet my HP/curve goal.