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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 08:26 AM
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99% chances it's the timing. I'll know tomorrow once I pick up a decent timing tensioner tool. 1% chance MAP didn't alternate the piston rings when the block was assembled. That's very unlikely.

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I know you're exercising due diligence here sir, but once you confirm that there is in fact no issue with the shortblock please make that evident in this thread. This is not our first rodeo
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 12:55 PM
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What cam gear are you running besides the modified mivec gear?
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 01:06 PM
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What cam gear are you running besides the modified mivec gear?
I'm running an HKS...

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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Acree
99% chances it's the timing. I'll know tomorrow once I pick up a decent timing tensioner tool. 1% chance MAP didn't alternate the piston rings when the block was assembled. That's very unlikely.

-Acree
Laramie is the one that owns the Mitsu tool that we usually use at NTEC MOD days.
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 01:31 PM
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dont get caught up on set backs. Every build.... And i say every build, has some type of setbacks.
Word!!!!!

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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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Whats the OP running?
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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I'm running a Fidanza exhaust gear.

Here are pictures of the current timing setup. I turned the motor over and have ZERO compression on piston 2. I didn't even bother testing the other cylinders due to the fact that the gauge read zero. My timing marks have to be incorrect. Any input is appreciated!

And yes the white crank mark is dead on.







-Acree
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Old Sep 27, 2010 | 10:06 PM
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That's how we do it, and let the modded cam gear make up the rest.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 01:33 AM
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that sucks to hear Acree >.<

did you pull the mivec cam gear apart? are you sure that it was put back into the correct sector? (i.e. there are 4 different positions you could install the internal mivec gear.)

also is the adjustable cam gear dowel installed into the "evo" hole? or the DSM hole?
This will cause your cam timing to be off 1 whole tooth afaik.

good luck with the hunt!
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 08:07 AM
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andrew, your timing is off one tooth. the MIVEC gear is advanced one tooth to many. move it back one (counter clockwise).


oh, and just to be sure, pull the gauge off the compression tester, and try to blow through the hose from the gauge side. if you can't, then you definately don't have compression. if you can, richard might have put the wrong check valve in the hose (we remove the check valve to do leak down tests with that hose).

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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 08:15 AM
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thats off, id redo it all. if the tops off the cranks most likely off. also i dont know about those cam gears, but mine say evo on the one dowell hole, and if yours are like mine you have it timed wrong with the cam gear location also..

can you fit the grenade pin through the hydraulic tensioner easily? if not the tensions way off also. running with a improper tensioned belt will kill your belt in 20k miles, not to mention all the bearings on the pulleys.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 08:15 AM
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Another thought sir, did you collapse your lifters prior to installation? Perhaps they are pumped up and holding the valves open a bit?
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
also is the adjustable cam gear dowel installed into the "evo" hole? or the DSM hole?
This will cause your cam timing to be off 1 whole tooth afaik.

good luck with the hunt!

oh and +1 to this. i didn't even think to look at that when i stopped over.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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oh and +1 to this. i didn't even think to look at that when i stopped over.
its not. those are fidanza cam gears and i can see where it says evo on the dowell and hes got it wrong.. i knew right away when i seen the degree uptop at the timing marks on the valve cover that it was wrong.

if he doesnt know what hes doing i suggest you go back over there and time it for him.

i make my stuff dummy proof when i time my cars. I put 2 white out marks on the crank and belt and then one on each uptop .. i get perfect timing everytime. and you need a tensioner rod to get perfect tension on the timing belt also to manipulate the tension on the tensioner pulley and preload.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
did you pull the mivec cam gear apart? are you sure that it was put back into the correct sector? (i.e. there are 4 different positions you could install the internal mivec gear.)
I know it's in the right sector because there's only one indention for the dowel on the cam to fit, and it's facing the 12 o'clock position.

The fidanza gear is not currently in the "Evo" hole. I'll switch that around tonight and try it again.

As far as the tensioner is concerned, I am using a stock tensioner bolt to compress the auto tensioner. When I backed the bolt out, my belt did not tighten up. I guess I have to go back and readjust the off-center tensioner pulley. I think it might have turned a bit. I had the tension perfect when the motor was out of the car. I've messed with the timing so many times I have no confidence in anything at this point.

Chris I bled all of the lifters. They all readily collapse when pushing them by hand.

-Acree

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