I measure success over time. Reliability to me is the most important factor in modifying any car. What good about awesome tuned street monster that will need a new motor before the 100K mark?

Shiv has the best track record from the Subaru world and in time will have that title again in the EVO world.

Now that does not mean I don't want to be fast or lay down lots of power but that I willing to leave some of that power for a margin of safety and smooth drivability.

IMHO
Eric

 

Shiv is the only tuner who is safe?

I've never once blown an engine. Hell, Mitsubishi ECUs make it hard to blow an engine so long as you know something about what you are doing.

I may take some risks by running 26psi out of a 16G at the track, but I make it safe by running some good race fuel while I am there. I turn the boost back down on the street and take out a bunch of timing and add some fuel.

And my car is about to turn over 100k. Frankly, engine longevity (ring life, bearing life, etc...) has more to do with your driving habits than it does tuning (so long as you aren't a tuning idiot). Bad tuning can lead to a quick engine death for sure.

 

This is what I keep hearing but I haven't seen anything yet that proves to me that what Shiv is doing with his Evo setups makes them any more reliable that what David is doing with his setups. IMHO, as far as reliability goes, someone with 15 years of 4g63 experience is more reliable than someone with 1 year of 4g63 experience.

At least David is willing to actually prove is performance in the real world rather than just post dyno sheets. If Shiv would just take his car to the drag strip rather than just estimate some ET's, he may find more people interested in his products. For this reason, I think Vishnu is shooting themselves in the foot.

 

Doesn't that completely throw of the point of using quarter mile times as a basis for comparision? Well I uh threw in this 150 octane jet fuel and turned the boost up to 30psi for one pass, and I can say it's incredibly robust. Immediately after, it was set back to 18 psi, but it would have been just fine driving that every day like that....

Why is it so hard to take a car just as it is driven 100% of the time, tune it, leave it be and just drive it or dyno it. there is so much drag strip variance, temps, track conditions, and dyno parameter altering, and race gas being used, all of this is moot.

You might as well be bickiering over which sand is better, the dirt if afghanistan vs the dirt in africa.

 

I can barely use the power I have at 20psi. I get tons of wheelspin in 1st gear if I floor it with pumpgas and 20psi. My commute consists of 100% city driving. Why on earth would I leave my boost at 26psi and deal with the extra possible driveline breakage?

And to argue the other way, when I go to the track, I go there to run the best time possible for my current combination of parts. When I race, I race heads up. To use pump gas would be like leaving half a second and 6mph on the table. Why on earth would I want to do that? Why on earth would ANYONE do that? My time is valuable to me. More valuable than the $7 a gallon I pay for 117 octane.

On top of all of this, pump gas is always an unknown commodity. It could be great 93 octane that you have been tuning to for a year or so. Or it could be 89 octane that someone pumped into the wrong holding tank. It isn't worth the risk to race on pump gas, in my opinion. At the very least, get some unleaded gas at the track so that you can be certain of the quality. Not to mention that gas you get at the track won't have power-robbing MTBE in it.

Oh, and "jet fuel" is essentially diesel/home heating oil. It has an extremely low octane. Not something you would want to run to turn up your boost.

 

The tuners also publish the boost and type of gas for the runs. Even Shiv will do testing on good old 100 octane to show what the parts can do. Not only yhat but people that buy thes cars and parts will eventually runs race gas.

 

I will not run race gas my self. Not everyone will.

 

That is fine. Just know what you are getting into, monitor everything closely everyday. And also know that you are leaving a whole lot of power on the table.

 

If you never intend to race in th 1/4, or autocross I guess i can see that. But eventually you will give it a shot. Once you are more modded, it only makes sense. Fatsest increase in hp for a turbo car.

 

Well for those of us who are not affraid to push our cars I believe race gas is fine. 20 psi and 110 octane and she runs like a champ but I am cool with running jus 93 octane for daily driving. The SAFC II with the instructions from Buschur works just fine with my 93 daily driving and EXCELLENT with 110 at the track!

Instead of sitting here *****ing about drag racing why don't you guys get out and give it a try or maybe your affraid you'll like it. I like testing the limits of my car on the road race course and I like kicking *** down the quarter. Here's an idea why don't you guys come test out the quarter at that EVO shootout hosted by Buschur in August? This will be a good place to see Shiv and Dave go one on one down the 1320! And I don't think I need to say who will come out on top i think everyone knows. it's kind of like a 15 to 1 ratio LMAO! I love my Buschur parts and I stand behind the people that has supplied what has worked best for me. I'm sure Dave does not need me to stick up for him he seems to be doing a good job on his own but I just thought since everyone seems to be backin Shiv than I could stick up for my tuner! And by the way guys that Shiv jizz can't be good for you.

 

Yes and not using NOS all the time means I'm leaving alot of power on the table as well. If I can't go down the street and buy race gas then it's not very pratical for me and I don't want to go to the paint store to make my home made moon shine to power my daily driver. I want to have perfromance in my world the real world not the drag strip. I don't want my car to smell like **** and burn my eyes at the stop light. I want a great driving car with the aftermarket parts that I want in it. Sure I love to be fast but Again I willing to give up a little for the long term grin factor.

What does your car run 1/4 on street gas with a street tuned map??

Eric

 

In its current form? I have no idea.

What does yours run in the 1/4?

Oh, and the drag strip is the real world. It is just that at the track you can win a trophy for going fast, instead of a ticket. I have a bunch of them on a shelf at home. Trophies, not tickets.

 

IMHO, my 90 GSX has 227 thousand miles and every mods you guy think is new. Its damn near impossible to blow these up unless you do something stupid. Bushcur does not blow engines, your average street tuner does not blow engines. There is absolutely nothing to suggest Shiv tunes for reliability compared to any of the rest of us.

 

This is a moot point, people use race gas just as ften on dyno's as they do tracks, causing just as large a variance. You obviously try to find numbers that compare to the setupyou want, with that said, the 1/4 mile is still a far more accurate guage of what your car can do than a dyno.

 

No clue and don't care personally.

I used to drag race my subaru because it hanlded like crap and the brakes sucked so I had no other real motors venue that I felt I could hold my owen in with out spending alot of my cash. I did try autocrossing it and I was not very happy with the car around the autocross track.

So now I have a EVO. I an think of a thousand things to do with my new car.

My Best
Eric