How to build a 4G64 for an EVO 8/9
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Crankwalk is no more of an issue in 4G64's than it is in 4G63's. The 2G DSMs were the cars that coined the "Crankwalk" problem in 4G63's due to some oiling/manufacturing issues. In Evo style motors the problem is not nearly as common.
Bottom line: if the internal clearances are correct and the motor is properly built and is CLEAN you shouldn't have crankwalk.
The only issue I know with the 4G64 is the smaller space between cylinders which leads to more easily blown head gaskets. If you plan on making a lot of power you may want to O-ring the block/head to prevent that.
I having problems with my 2.4 built. The oil is coming up thru the piston rings on my 1st chamber causing the spark plug to foul out.
One person say since i did 2 10an relieve lines going from the heads to the oil catch can,it created more crank pressure which causing the oil to push up thru the piston rings.
IS THAT TRUE?????!?!?
They told me i must make a relieve 8an coming out from the balance shaft hole to relief the crank pressure. There is a fitting that stm make for the 4g63. But he not sure it will fit into the 4g64 2003 outlander block.
Does anyone having the same problems as i do???
Please give me some info!!!
One person say since i did 2 10an relieve lines going from the heads to the oil catch can,it created more crank pressure which causing the oil to push up thru the piston rings.
IS THAT TRUE?????!?!?
They told me i must make a relieve 8an coming out from the balance shaft hole to relief the crank pressure. There is a fitting that stm make for the 4g63. But he not sure it will fit into the 4g64 2003 outlander block.
Does anyone having the same problems as i do???
Please give me some info!!!
For more info , contact james at Map Performance.
I hope this thread gets sticky'd so other members do not have to perform 12 hours of research and calling shops to figure out how to do this swap.
What you will need:
4G64 block
stock evo crank shaft
156mm rods
This equals a 2.1L
If you use the 4G64 crank and rods, obviously this is a 2.4L.
Piston selection form. PLEAE READ CAREFULLY. There is a 4G64 for EVO 4-9. Then there is the DSM 4G64 with the 4G63 head. The DSM is not for our builds!!
The 4G64 section is wrong for the EVO 4-9. The head CC is incorrect and will change the compression ratio..
http://www.wiseco.com/Catalogs/Sport.../MiniMitsu.pdf
Below are all the vehicles that use the 4G64 block:
Applications
2000-2005 Mitsubishi Eclipse
1999–2003 Mitsubishi Galant
2003 Mitsubishi Outlander
1989–1991 Hyundai Sonata
1998-2005 CHRYSLER SEBRING
1998-2005 DODGE STRATUS
It looks like there were 2 versions of the 2.4 that went into the chrysler vehicles, check for the 4G64 stamping on the block. The link is below.
The stratus 4 door newer body style has the chrysler block and the 2 door had the 4G64 block. I found this out at the junk yard comparing the vehicles.
http://engineguy.com/jeep-dodge-chrysler/2-4l-1.html
Using the EVO 8 head, the parts list is below:
Evo 8 Head Swap Parts List
Model Part Name Part Number Qty
Eclipse 2.4L Head Gasket MD332035 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Pulley MD156604 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner MD308086 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley MD182537 1
Evo 8 Adjustable Cam Gear 1
Evo 8 Cam Gear Bolt MF140285 2
Evo 8 Cam Gears MD322223 1
Evo 8 Camshaft Seals MD153103 2
Evo 8 Camshaft Sensor Housing MD344722 1
Evo 8 Camshaft Sensor Housing Cover MD329502 1
Evo 8 Camshaft Sensor Housing Gasket MD329503 1
Evo 8 Coil Pack Boots MD623073 2
Evo 8 Cylinder Head Rear Seal MD372348 1
Evo 8 Dipstick MD343884 1
Evo 8 Dipstick Tube MD342319 1
Evo 8 EGR Valve MR560582 1
Evo 8 Exhaust Cam MN143620 1
Evo 8 Exhaust Valve MD184078 8
Evo 8 Fuel Pressure Regulator MD320749 1
Evo 8 Fuel Rail MR561928 1
Evo 8 Head MN155744 1
Evo 8 Intake Cam MN143619 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold MN137746 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Bolt MF241256 5
Evo 8 intake manifold bolt big MF241284 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Bracket MR560754 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Bracket Bolt MF140056 2
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Gasket MD310447 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold nut MF430122 2
Evo 8 Intake Valve MD127840 8
Evo 8 Lash Adjuster MD377054 16
Evo 8 Lower Radiator Hose MN135593 1
Evo 8 Lower Timing Belt Cover MN143079 1
Evo 8 Oil Cap MN163112 1
Evo 8 Plug Cover MD345681 1
Evo 8 Rear Water Pipe MN143306 1
Evo 8 Reluctor MD375814 1
Evo 8 Reluctor Bolt MD368730 1
Evo 8 Rocker Arm MD375091 16
Evo 8 Spark Plug Gaskets MD186785 4
Evo 8 Spark Plug Wire Set MD343245 1
Evo 8 Spark Plugs MD374841 4
Evo 8 Thermostat Housing MN143307 1
Evo 8 Throttle Body MN128975 1
Evo 8 Throttle Body Gasket MD180361 1
Evo 8 Throttle Cable MN100169 1
Evo 8 Throttle Position sensor MD628074 1
Evo 8 Timing Belt MD326059 1
Evo 8 Timing Belt Front Cover MD334401 1
Evo 8 Timing Belt Rear Cover MD322517 1
Evo 8 Upper Timing Belt Cover MD373108 1
Evo 8 Valve Cover MN155455 1
Evo 8 Valve Cover Gasket MD340535 1
Evo 8 Valve Keepers MD016483 32
Evo 8 Valve Spring Retainers MN143698 16
Evo 8 Valve Spring Seats MD113424 16
Evo 8 Valve Springs MN158946 16
Evo 8 Valve Stem Seals MD306079 16
There have been threads on what belt to use. IE 4G63 and 4G64.
The EVO 9 belt was preferred due to it being reinforced with kevlar.
I was not able to find any one thread that said what Buschur or MAP uses.
4g64 mitsu dohc t belt # MD182292
4g64 gasket
thpartsbin.com, sku: FP26172PT
Felpro PermaTorqueMLS $34
Head gasket wise, you can use the 4G64 MLS gasket or machined 4G63 gaskets. The issue is that the 4G63 gasket will overhang into the combustion chamber causing hot spots and potential leaks.
The water pump needs to be modified or you need to use an adaptor plate. AMS does not make the modified water pump anymore according to Buschur. The next best thing is to purchase the one from MAP. They have the lowest price that comes with a gasket that I could find. This adapter plate allows you to utilize your 2.0L water pump for your 2.4L block build. The link is below.
http://www.maperformance.com/maperfo...p-10-1073.html
The reason you need a spacer/ modded pump is because the front cooling passage on a 2.4 block is slightly different. With a stock evo pump part of the passage is exposed and water will leak. The spacer just gives the evo pump a footprint like a regular 2.4 pump, which can also be achieved by welding/modding the evo pump.
Another pump that works is a 2003 Outlander pump. But it has to be 2003. Only year they came dohc 2.4 with 1 aux belt. GMB brand. Since prices change everyday, you can google search 2003 outlander water pump and click on the shopping tab. I have found them from 30-80 bucks shipped.
A 4G64/2.4 pump on a 4G64/2.4 block will not line up with the EVO/4G63 waterpipe, pulleys, etc
For the guys that have the EVO 9 head with MIVEC, you will need to modify the oil supply line or buy a relocation kit. A link below for the MAP line.
http://www.maperformance.com/map-miv...-evo-mofl.html
Now onto the timing part. This was the most extensive research I have performed. I am still having a hard time doing the timing with the different belts (4G63 or 4G64). This was a quote I found, "Advance if you use 64 belt retard if you use 63 belt." I hope someone can clarify this.
A great link from AMS is below. This is on the slight modifications that need to be performed to make everything fit.
http://www.amsperformance.com/instru...llPictures.pdf
Also, below are more pictures of timing marks I have found.
All the timing marks will line up. After the marks line up, I checked the cams. They were 3.4 degrees off or retarted. So with the adjustable gears, you will need to advance the cams by 3.4 degrees. I think the 3.75 was a ball park number. Advancing them would be turning them counter clockwise or towards the intake.
Onto the oil squirters. I found a few threads that you can machine and tap the block for the location of squirters or you can not install them. I have seen a few 800+WHP EVOs without them.
Below is the picture of the bolt that needs to be trimmed on the outlnder waster pump to fit the evo 8 alternator bracket to the water pump.
If any shops or individuals have performed this install, please let me know if I missed anything. Also, please send pics or more info on the belts and timing.
-Joe
What you will need:
4G64 block
stock evo crank shaft
156mm rods
This equals a 2.1L
If you use the 4G64 crank and rods, obviously this is a 2.4L.
Piston selection form. PLEAE READ CAREFULLY. There is a 4G64 for EVO 4-9. Then there is the DSM 4G64 with the 4G63 head. The DSM is not for our builds!!
The 4G64 section is wrong for the EVO 4-9. The head CC is incorrect and will change the compression ratio..
http://www.wiseco.com/Catalogs/Sport.../MiniMitsu.pdf
Below are all the vehicles that use the 4G64 block:
Applications
2000-2005 Mitsubishi Eclipse
1999–2003 Mitsubishi Galant
2003 Mitsubishi Outlander
1989–1991 Hyundai Sonata
1998-2005 CHRYSLER SEBRING
1998-2005 DODGE STRATUS
It looks like there were 2 versions of the 2.4 that went into the chrysler vehicles, check for the 4G64 stamping on the block. The link is below.
The stratus 4 door newer body style has the chrysler block and the 2 door had the 4G64 block. I found this out at the junk yard comparing the vehicles.
http://engineguy.com/jeep-dodge-chrysler/2-4l-1.html
Using the EVO 8 head, the parts list is below:
Evo 8 Head Swap Parts List
Model Part Name Part Number Qty
Eclipse 2.4L Head Gasket MD332035 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Pulley MD156604 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner MD308086 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley MD182537 1
Evo 8 Adjustable Cam Gear 1
Evo 8 Cam Gear Bolt MF140285 2
Evo 8 Cam Gears MD322223 1
Evo 8 Camshaft Seals MD153103 2
Evo 8 Camshaft Sensor Housing MD344722 1
Evo 8 Camshaft Sensor Housing Cover MD329502 1
Evo 8 Camshaft Sensor Housing Gasket MD329503 1
Evo 8 Coil Pack Boots MD623073 2
Evo 8 Cylinder Head Rear Seal MD372348 1
Evo 8 Dipstick MD343884 1
Evo 8 Dipstick Tube MD342319 1
Evo 8 EGR Valve MR560582 1
Evo 8 Exhaust Cam MN143620 1
Evo 8 Exhaust Valve MD184078 8
Evo 8 Fuel Pressure Regulator MD320749 1
Evo 8 Fuel Rail MR561928 1
Evo 8 Head MN155744 1
Evo 8 Intake Cam MN143619 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold MN137746 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Bolt MF241256 5
Evo 8 intake manifold bolt big MF241284 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Bracket MR560754 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Bracket Bolt MF140056 2
Evo 8 Intake Manifold Gasket MD310447 1
Evo 8 Intake Manifold nut MF430122 2
Evo 8 Intake Valve MD127840 8
Evo 8 Lash Adjuster MD377054 16
Evo 8 Lower Radiator Hose MN135593 1
Evo 8 Lower Timing Belt Cover MN143079 1
Evo 8 Oil Cap MN163112 1
Evo 8 Plug Cover MD345681 1
Evo 8 Rear Water Pipe MN143306 1
Evo 8 Reluctor MD375814 1
Evo 8 Reluctor Bolt MD368730 1
Evo 8 Rocker Arm MD375091 16
Evo 8 Spark Plug Gaskets MD186785 4
Evo 8 Spark Plug Wire Set MD343245 1
Evo 8 Spark Plugs MD374841 4
Evo 8 Thermostat Housing MN143307 1
Evo 8 Throttle Body MN128975 1
Evo 8 Throttle Body Gasket MD180361 1
Evo 8 Throttle Cable MN100169 1
Evo 8 Throttle Position sensor MD628074 1
Evo 8 Timing Belt MD326059 1
Evo 8 Timing Belt Front Cover MD334401 1
Evo 8 Timing Belt Rear Cover MD322517 1
Evo 8 Upper Timing Belt Cover MD373108 1
Evo 8 Valve Cover MN155455 1
Evo 8 Valve Cover Gasket MD340535 1
Evo 8 Valve Keepers MD016483 32
Evo 8 Valve Spring Retainers MN143698 16
Evo 8 Valve Spring Seats MD113424 16
Evo 8 Valve Springs MN158946 16
Evo 8 Valve Stem Seals MD306079 16
There have been threads on what belt to use. IE 4G63 and 4G64.
The EVO 9 belt was preferred due to it being reinforced with kevlar.
I was not able to find any one thread that said what Buschur or MAP uses.
4g64 mitsu dohc t belt # MD182292
4g64 gasket
thpartsbin.com, sku: FP26172PT
Felpro PermaTorqueMLS $34
Head gasket wise, you can use the 4G64 MLS gasket or machined 4G63 gaskets. The issue is that the 4G63 gasket will overhang into the combustion chamber causing hot spots and potential leaks.
The water pump needs to be modified or you need to use an adaptor plate. AMS does not make the modified water pump anymore according to Buschur. The next best thing is to purchase the one from MAP. They have the lowest price that comes with a gasket that I could find. This adapter plate allows you to utilize your 2.0L water pump for your 2.4L block build. The link is below.
http://www.maperformance.com/maperfo...p-10-1073.html
The reason you need a spacer/ modded pump is because the front cooling passage on a 2.4 block is slightly different. With a stock evo pump part of the passage is exposed and water will leak. The spacer just gives the evo pump a footprint like a regular 2.4 pump, which can also be achieved by welding/modding the evo pump.
Another pump that works is a 2003 Outlander pump. But it has to be 2003. Only year they came dohc 2.4 with 1 aux belt. GMB brand. Since prices change everyday, you can google search 2003 outlander water pump and click on the shopping tab. I have found them from 30-80 bucks shipped.
A 4G64/2.4 pump on a 4G64/2.4 block will not line up with the EVO/4G63 waterpipe, pulleys, etc
For the guys that have the EVO 9 head with MIVEC, you will need to modify the oil supply line or buy a relocation kit. A link below for the MAP line.
http://www.maperformance.com/map-miv...-evo-mofl.html
Now onto the timing part. This was the most extensive research I have performed. I am still having a hard time doing the timing with the different belts (4G63 or 4G64). This was a quote I found, "Advance if you use 64 belt retard if you use 63 belt." I hope someone can clarify this.
A great link from AMS is below. This is on the slight modifications that need to be performed to make everything fit.
http://www.amsperformance.com/instru...llPictures.pdf
Also, below are more pictures of timing marks I have found.
All the timing marks will line up. After the marks line up, I checked the cams. They were 3.4 degrees off or retarted. So with the adjustable gears, you will need to advance the cams by 3.4 degrees. I think the 3.75 was a ball park number. Advancing them would be turning them counter clockwise or towards the intake.
Onto the oil squirters. I found a few threads that you can machine and tap the block for the location of squirters or you can not install them. I have seen a few 800+WHP EVOs without them.
Below is the picture of the bolt that needs to be trimmed on the outlnder waster pump to fit the evo 8 alternator bracket to the water pump.
If any shops or individuals have performed this install, please let me know if I missed anything. Also, please send pics or more info on the belts and timing.
-Joe
Thanks for the write up. I am going thru this swap myself. Putting my stock 2.0l 4G63 with a 2.1l 4G64 and have a couple of question, based on your part # list above, does that mean I will only need to source the following 2.4l block parts and could use/carry over the rest of listed parts from my 4g^# blocks?
Eclipse 2.4L Head Gasket MD332035 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Pulley MD156604 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner MD308086 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley MD182537 1
Anything else I should look for or can’t transfer from my stock 4g63?
Thanks for the help!
Hello Joe/All,
Thanks for the write up. I am going thru this swap myself. Putting my stock 2.0l 4G63 with a 2.1l 4G64 and have a couple of question, based on your part # list above, does that mean I will only need to source the following 2.4l block parts and could use/carry over the rest of listed parts from my 4g^# blocks?
Eclipse 2.4L Head Gasket MD332035 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Pulley MD156604 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner MD308086 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley MD182537 1
Anything else I should look for or can’t transfer from my stock 4g63?
Thanks for the help!
Thanks for the write up. I am going thru this swap myself. Putting my stock 2.0l 4G63 with a 2.1l 4G64 and have a couple of question, based on your part # list above, does that mean I will only need to source the following 2.4l block parts and could use/carry over the rest of listed parts from my 4g^# blocks?
Eclipse 2.4L Head Gasket MD332035 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Pulley MD156604 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner MD308086 1
Eclipse 2.4L Timing Belt Tensioner Pulley MD182537 1
Anything else I should look for or can’t transfer from my stock 4g63?
Thanks for the help!
The only things I have used is the 64 block and crank. Everything else is carryover from the 63 block. You can use the 64 timing components if they are the same part number as the evo. Keep in mind that some of the 64 timing parts are different because they made them in SOHC and DOHC. Depending on what parts you have, you may install the wrong timing components. let me know if you need help. Im in west bloomfield now, shoot me a text and I can stop by.
-Joe
Like the guy above said, they have HG issues. The guy who build mine used a Cometic HG and it had trouble sealing, although there's some other variables that contributed to this as well not to do with the 4G64 block. New HG is going on this week, using a Power Enterpise HG. They go for about $250 but are one of the best you can get if you're going for high hp.
Edit: After Fathouse talked my build over with English Racing, they decided to use a Cometic HG instead of the PE. ER sources a non-standard Cometic that's not an off-the-shelf Cometic like you'll find on most websites. Has to be special ordered. It's still less than the PE HG but should be better than the typical Cometic that most of use/have used.
Edit: After Fathouse talked my build over with English Racing, they decided to use a Cometic HG instead of the PE. ER sources a non-standard Cometic that's not an off-the-shelf Cometic like you'll find on most websites. Has to be special ordered. It's still less than the PE HG but should be better than the typical Cometic that most of use/have used.
Last edited by NSDQ; Oct 28, 2014 at 12:55 PM.