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Old Jul 16, 2017, 07:52 PM
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As I understand, this is the reason for 5th gear grind on some Evos: due to the large gap between 4th and 5th, the latter being very tall, the synchro wears abnormally if one tried to shift quickly. In essence, the synchro doesn't have a chance to catch up and becomes damaged over time. The solution is not to shift fast from 4th to 5th.

I only have ~50K on my IX, albeit quite a bit of it at WOT, so I'm not sure it's a real data point. Never a grind. Not once. Always OEM fluids - no exceptions. I don't shift terribly fast; just quick enough not to loose spool.
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Okay, so there's more damage?

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It's never "just a fork".
Old Jul 17, 2017, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by FJF
As I understand, this is the reason for 5th gear grind on some Evos: due to the large gap between 4th and 5th, the latter being very tall, the synchro wears abnormally if one tried to shift quickly. In essence, the synchro doesn't have a chance to catch up and becomes damaged over time. The solution is not to shift fast from 4th to 5th.

I only have ~50K on my IX, albeit quite a bit of it at WOT, so I'm not sure it's a real data point. Never a grind. Not once. Always OEM fluids - no exceptions. I don't shift terribly fast; just quick enough not to loose spool.
The ratio gap + it's only a single synchro is what kills. If Mitsubishi had made it a double synchro, it probably would've been a lot better.
Old Jul 18, 2017, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 2006EvoIXer
Okay, so there's more damage?
Fork break = metal pieces everywhere = chipped gears = ruined trans.
Old Jul 19, 2017, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Fork break = metal pieces everywhere = chipped gears = ruined trans.
WTF !! how did it happen ?

Was there any oil in the trans ?
Old Jul 19, 2017, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Fork break = metal pieces everywhere = chipped gears = ruined trans.
Gotcha. I didn't think about that. Lol
Old Jul 19, 2017, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mines5
WTF !! how did it happen ?

Was there any oil in the trans ?
Missing alignment dowel pin caused an off-center clutch disc, resulting in crazy vibration, ending in a fork vibrating itself to death.
Old Jul 19, 2017, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Missing alignment dowel pin caused an off-center clutch disc, resulting in crazy vibration, ending in a fork vibrating itself to death.
Do you think vibration can cause the fork to brake ?

If fork was vibrating you can feel it during drive and shifts or may be you were more focused on apexes and corners
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Originally Posted by mines5
Do you think vibration can cause the fork to brake ?

If fork was vibrating you can feel it during drive and shifts or may be you were more focused on apexes and corners
Knocking at idle. Couldn't tell while shifting. I was stumped for two years, trying to figure out what was wrong LOL
Old Jul 28, 2017, 02:29 PM
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Reporting back with a small update. Still no issues at all with 5th gear with the Red-Line fluid in the transmission.

Looks like this will get changes with only MT90
Old Jul 28, 2017, 07:26 PM
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I use MT-85, but with what you said maybe Ill give the 90 a try and itll help with my notchiness
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Originally Posted by Chrispy0530
Reporting back with a small update. Still no issues at all with 5th gear with the Red-Line fluid in the transmission.

Looks like this will get changes with only MT90
Ever tried the Royal purple gear oil ?
Old Jul 31, 2017, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mines5
Ever tried the Royal purple gear oil ?
Not gear oil specifically, but I've used their other products. Too over-priced, and for my particular application, I didn't get good results.

My GSX developed rod bearing knock right after switching to that oil, after the car had ran beautifully for years. Could have been completely coincidental, but I do not like how it suddenly started after switching to it from years of using Mobil1/Ams Oil.
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Originally Posted by Chrispy0530
Not gear oil specifically, but I've used their other products. Too over-priced, and for my particular application, I didn't get good results.

My GSX developed rod bearing knock right after switching to that oil, after the car had ran beautifully for years. Could have been completely coincidental, but I do not like how it suddenly started after switching to it from years of using Mobil1/Ams Oil.
I use Royal purple engine oil 10w40 - works good . Used it in 42C ambient temps, hot humid weather . Never had a problem.

Did not find Red line here so was thinking to switch to royal purple gear oil.
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