I hope you lose in your appeal and have to pay thousand of dollars to the lawyer for nothing. Those wings surve no purose on road and freeways and unless you want to travel at 80,90 mph and therefore there is no reason for having them on your car. I am glad that police and court finally start ticketing those that have those wings on there cars, hopefully more people will get the message take them off or get a fine. Local cities/states/counties can make there own laws that makes things illegal regarless if federal goverment makes it legal. All it means that you will not be prosecuted by federal goverment but because you broke the law of state/city/country you will be prosecuted by them if they want.

 

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Huh?

The rear spoiler is stock from the lot. You don't have a choice on it on the '05 unless you bought an RS, in which it isn't standard equipment. It's rolled into the price. He paid for it whether he wanted it or not.

Additionally, it was federalized by the DOT.

The guy is looking at a $345 fine, having paid money for something that was deemed legal by the DOT and now having to shelve it (at a loss), and acquiring a new decklid and getting it painted. All things he shouldn't have to do.

 

stfu dude, you get on here just to say that sh*t? Keep those stupid comments to yourself. Just because you don't like the wing doesnt mean you have to subscribe to this site and add in your 2 cents. If you don't like evos and their spoilers, go join the an Echo or Cavalier forum and bash the Evo.

 

Welcome to Stupidville..... Population---You.

 

yes dot said it was legall, but its the buyer responsiblity to make sure that stock wings are legal in that state. I don't believe that he is the only person in that state that has wings ever got a ticket for having those wings on there car. He should look up local penal code to see what it says, it should be on his ticket and he will see that having those wings is illegal. Dot makes it legal but it only means that federal goverment approves it as legal not that state approves it as legal

edit:to those that says that this is sold as standard equipment then he should goto dealer and have dealer refund him the money for that part instead of appealing the rulling

 

When something has the US DOT seal of approval, that applys to ALL 50 STATES

 

unless the state passed a law that says its illegal. All us dot seal means is that product can be sold in the usa, but after that manufacture must also comply with local laws. Ex. State of california has much taughter smoke laws then other states. You can't sell cars from other state in california unless they meet ca smoke standard regarless that they have US DOT SEAL of approval to sel in USA

 

The Local law cannot overrule federal law, this is why this guy would be completely in the right if the wing isnt aftermarket. If it could, all hell would break loose and we wouldnt be a country any more

 

all the NRA members in California wish that was true. California has taughter gun law then U.S. Goverment. So you are saying that california gun law is illegal. If that is the case then i would agree with you that his wings are legal, but we all know that state can make taugher laws then what us goverment makes. He was not ticketed for breaking us federal goverment law, he was ticketed for breaking local state penal code

 

i think ylen is right on one thing, states can approve different regulations on cars other then what the federal government does. for instance california has really strict emissions requirements, to the point where some makes and models of car actually had "california emissions" cars which were different from the remaining 49 states. i think this took place in the late 80's. now all cars produced are 50 state legal as far as i know (but then again wisconsin could have a rear visibility law). BUT, i think rear visibity is a subjective thing, and like many have said, look at UPS trucks, semis, tractors, motorcycles (only have side mirrors, just like a car), any limosine, hell, in michigan the police suburbans all have limo tinted rear glass. some states have tint laws, others don't.

now as for my opinion, i think you should fight it, and i think you will win. there is no way they can say you have limited rear visibility because you still have both side mirrors, which by design are rear viewing mirrors. the rear visiblity from the inside you have with the EVO is sufficient that you can see anything by moving your head a little, such as in the case where a car is directly behind the wing. i think if you look, you will find that the wisconsin laws (if there even is one) tell you that you must have some rear visibility, but the writing will be vague and non-desciptive. therefor you can argue that the law is insuficient to apply to your case (i'm not a lawyer, so don't take my word for it). the best thing to do would be to find the actual laws that they are citing you for, and read them.

you could also create an experiement to prove you have rear visiblity and use it as hard evidence they your visiblity is not limited. i know this can be done...

 

simmple reason, he is breaking the law. Like it or not the wings are illegal to have on his car,some people may like them fine, some people feel they have a purose fine, but the they are breaking current state penal code. He should try to get law changed instead of hiring a lawyer and fight the judgement that its not legal

 

that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard ylen. oh and don't call him a commie cause commies are cool. call him a right wing radical who wants to take away all your civil libertys so that the government and corperations can profit off of us in a tag team effort.

lets think about this for a second. to change a law it required millions of dollars and hundreds of hours of time to get the legislation and popluar backing to change a law. or he can get a public defender for free, and fight it.

 

If he bought the damn car in his state, with the wing, from the dealership then most likely it was found to meet state laws, otherwise the dealership broke the laws not the owner.

 

who is this guy?

 

Alright ylen13, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and ask you why would start something like this? Obviously you love the law and the way it is and are fairly well versed in the gun laws of california. Yes, life is not fair however that shouldn't mean that there isn't a need for logic and reasonability. Being an evo owner of course im going to be baised against your opinion, but thats cool even though in your opinion the old Grecian expression "the law is king" is true in your thought. With that being said and with the judgement passed by his state then our constitution is subject to the personal bias of high level officials like the judge. You damn well know if it were a 50 year old in a z28 or grand national he probably wouldn't have even been pulled over. You are right in saying he should fight to change the law but you are wrong in saying that he shouldnt appeal and get his money back from his dealer. I think i speak for everyone else on this forum (at least the members that are here to share in the pleasure of owning an evo, not over aggressive cockgobblers like you) when i say that this is not a situation fully centered around monetary loss but of the principle that you cannot buy a means of transportation, ruled legal in all 50 states and only have it in 49 because of a factory option in which is bought along with the car. Also have you even looked at any of the other posts about vans being legal with NO rear window? Also why not just rip on every type of car that has a wing while your at it? I mean why not a wrx, a camaro ss, a ferrari f50? Untill you find a legit reason to sign up to a car forums and start crap with all the members (who are here to build a community and learn) stop compensating for your small tools with your use of internet aggression. You probably raced an evo and got owned and spent the whole night playing with your knob wishing you would've bought one. Now i think the srt forums are pissed about something, so go play devil's advocate and consume your time with more ******* activities. I'm tired of people like you.