I agree with what all you are saying, I guess it is true about TBE and sometimes intakes/filter not doing much for an untuned IX. Still I if all mods were equal, I just don't see the car in this thread hiting 330WHP as the other IX did. Now this is something I have been noticing, and I wonder why more people aren't talking about this more, but I've noticed a big difference in the stock WHP of IXs, some are making 270WHP, some 260WHP, some 250WHP and some are in the 240WHP range. Usually with modifications the numbers seem to fall back into line, but I find this interesting that there is such a variety of stock dyno numbers. I hope I get a more powerful one.

 

Well on Vishnus dyno the stock IX's are coming in almost dead even stock HP wise.

 

^That is true also, the differences in IXs dyno could simply be caused by difference in dynos. I believe most vishnu IXs are putting down like 235WHP on that DD, which would be like 265-270WHP on a dyno jet (more of what I expect from a IX). I just don't know why this guy dynoed so low.

 

Don't mind me I am probably just thinking to much, I just expect more from a IX, that when the numbers are a little off I am surprised.

remember that thread with that IX that dynoed around 260WHP on Gruppe-S Mustang, and Gruppe-S was calling bs on the numbers of other IXs. I seemed to be the only one to question the numbers and thought they were low. Turns out they were and this whole big drama thing between Dynoflash and Vishnu started about what the exact problem was.

 

We concur, the IX is very strong with proper modifications:

One of customers recently posted his dyno results regarding his IX.
Stock = 239HP

With WORKS P2E, WORKS 76mm Exhale system, WORKS Cast O2 housing and WORKS Throttle body = 297HP.

A very impressive 58 HP gain on 91 octane, with no unecessary fuel pumps, no injectors, no cams and no MBC's.

For the complete thread & dynocharts:https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179814

 

Why wouldn't it ? this one only got 13 more than I did with more mods than mine:
[QUOTE=Works]With WORKS P2E, WORKS 76mm Exhale system, WORKS Cast O2 housing and WORKS Throttle body = 297HP

 

[QUOTE=Eman]Why wouldn't it ? this one only got 13 more than I did with more mods than mine:

Its clear by looking at the Works TBE that its not made for maximum power. Do you see any other cat back exhausts other than stock with the design that Works uses? Theres a reason for that. IMO their parts are clearly overpriced given what the competition has to offer...

Work's tuned car baselined at 239whp/235wtq on 91 octane. After the addition of parts and tuning it made 297/268- a gain of 58/33.
Parts added:
-Works Bored Throttle Body
-New Works O2 Sensor Housing (Ceramic Coated)
-Works DP (Ceramic Coated)
-Works HF Cat
-Works Intermediate Pipe
-Works Exhale HF Muffler
-Works P2 Flash/Boost hose
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=179814

Buschur's tuned car baselined at 210whp/208wtq on 93 octane. After the addition of parts and tuning it made 271/266- a gain of 61/58.
Parts added:
-Down Pipe
-Cat-Back Exhaust
-Intake
-Flash
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=170411

Yes, the cars were on two totally different dynos, but look at the gains. Buschur's netted more whp/tq with the stock cat and much less mods. From what ive read going from 91 octane to 93 only accounts for ~15whp. The numbers speak for themselves.

 

[QUOTE=Eman]Why wouldn't it ? this one only got 13 more than I did with more mods than mine:
Sorry but Works uses a Mustang Dyno

 

Sorry but I got to say this stuff, I am only expressing concern for your well being and your cars, this is all my opinion-

First- Your numbers are low in my opinion. Now if your fine with being 20-30WHP below the average IX with similiar mods, then that's fine, but still if it was me, I would atleast consider the possibility that something isn't running properly with my car.

Here are your (Eman) numbers compared with some recent IX dynos.

Eman's-
Catback Exhaust
Drop In Filter
Flash
284WHP (Dyno Jet)
284WTQ (Dyno Jet)
91oct

Fimotorsport's IX-
Flash
292WHP (Dyno Jet)
293WTQ (Dyno Jet)
93oct

Taylor's IX-
Flash
270WHP (Dynamometer)
275WTQ (Dynamometer)
91oct

As far as the dynamometer we all know that reads low, and the numbers on a dyno jet would be around 300-310WHP.

Another IX tuned on the same dyno as Eman-
Flash
288WHP (Dyno Jet)
280WTQ (Dyno Jet)
91oct

My point is that either a Catback Exhaust and Drop in Filter do nothing for the IX even with a Flash (which I doubt is the case since so many other VIIIs and IXs have experienced gains, especially when tuned) or the numbers are lower than normal and there could be something wrong.

Second- I am in no way questioning the tuning abilities of Harman Motive. I infact myself plan to do business with them when I get my IX. The car baselined low to begin with and it already had Catback and Filter installed. Harman Motive was able to extract an extra 20WHP+ and 30WTQ+ from this IX with just a Flash. Impressive!

Still I believe more power should be made with this IX and the numbers just aren't matching up with the many other IXs making much more power with similiar or even less mods. If the owner of this IX (Eman) is fine about his power numbers, than that is fine, but in my opinion his numbers aren't normal and I don't believe it's Harman Motive's fault, but something may be wrong with the car. They did not install the parts on the car, could it be possible that a leak has occured and it was missed during tuning? Or is this the rare case of a factory geek, the opposite of a factory freak.

 

I don't know man, I think those numbers are all close enough that you can't really draw any conclusions about his car being down on power. Different cars, different dynos, different days, different gas, etc. etc. Even on the same dyno, the numbers are within a few wtq/whp ... it's just not enough of a difference to be worrying about his car IMHO. In fact, he makes a few extra wtq over the flashed IX with stock exhaust even those the whp is a few shy. That difference could be attributed to as little as .5 psi of boost or less at that particular point in the RPM range, or conditions in the dyno room, or heat soak of the IC, etc. ...

I'm not trying to give you a hard time, but your first post says great numbers, then suddenly you started saying it was down on power? Seriously, I appreciate your perspective, but I just think you're making a little too much about a few whp/wtq here and there when there really isn't enough data ...

 

[QUOTE=Joshd]I don't know man, I think those numbers are all close enough that you can't really draw any conclusions about his car being down on power.

I kind of agree with both of you !!!

 

3000ways : could show which mods did the other IX's have to put down more HP/TQ than mine.