"Street Car" versus "Race Car" Debate...
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Just check out the chicks head and where the bar is.. I am pretty sure her head wouldnt hit the the top of the frame of if the car wasnt there.. sorry roll bar padding will still cause a concussion on impact..
How about for the passengers?? i mean if you have seats back there might as well sit in them, right??.. the rear bars will split someones head in a light collision..
Be realistic.. I highly doubt ill find US DOT data to support my opinion but id chalk this up as common sense..
How about for the passengers?? i mean if you have seats back there might as well sit in them, right??.. the rear bars will split someones head in a light collision..
Be realistic.. I highly doubt ill find US DOT data to support my opinion but id chalk this up as common sense..
She was posing for pictures, not driving the car. My head is actually lower that her head in that picture when I drive the car and I am 9" taller than she is.
Just as a head hitting a padded roll bar hard enough, you will get a concussion from smashing the window out with your head or hitting the factory roof rail.
The passenger side is also padded even though NHRA does not require it.
You cant get in the back seat of a 240sx without a cage anyway so there is nobody ever back there.... well, my dog sits back there but that doesn't really count.
I also doubt there is US DOT data supporting either opinion. I am happy knowing that if I were to get in a bad wreck with the car on the street, I have a cage protecting me.
She was posing for pictures, not driving the car. My head is actually lower that her head in that picture when I drive the car and I am 9" taller than she is.
Just as a head hitting a padded roll bar hard enough, you will get a concussion from smashing the window out with your head or hitting the factory roof rail.
The passenger side is also padded even though NHRA does not require it.
You cant get in the back seat of a 240sx without a cage anyway so there is nobody ever back there.... well, my dog sits back there but that doesn't really count.
I also doubt there is US DOT data supporting either opinion. I am happy knowing that if I were to get in a bad wreck with the car on the street, I have a cage protecting me.
Just as a head hitting a padded roll bar hard enough, you will get a concussion from smashing the window out with your head or hitting the factory roof rail.
The passenger side is also padded even though NHRA does not require it.
You cant get in the back seat of a 240sx without a cage anyway so there is nobody ever back there.... well, my dog sits back there but that doesn't really count.
I also doubt there is US DOT data supporting either opinion. I am happy knowing that if I were to get in a bad wreck with the car on the street, I have a cage protecting me.
As long as you feel safer thats all that matters.. Its your car.. just hope they dont have to cut your roof off when seconds count.. not minutes, seconds..
1000's of people will agree a cage is not safe in a car w/o a helmet.. maybe ill start a thread to see what people think.. maybe a poll would be better..
When you get to the point where you strip the interior and install a cage. Nobody does this unless the car is significantly modded already, so I say that's the point of no return.
If you race in a class that requires a full cage -> race car
As once you have a cage, you probably should wear a helmet every time you drive the car, so it is a race car.
If a cage is not required at your competition level or you don't race and you put a cage in anyway -> rice car.
Everything else is a street car no matter how much improvement has been made.
As once you have a cage, you probably should wear a helmet every time you drive the car, so it is a race car.
If a cage is not required at your competition level or you don't race and you put a cage in anyway -> rice car.
Everything else is a street car no matter how much improvement has been made.
It's no longer a "street car" when you can't go to an inspection station where you don't know the employees and get a sticker put on it.
Here that rules out a cage/no support beams/EMS/non DOT tires... results will vary depending where you live (for a couple more years at best).
Here that rules out a cage/no support beams/EMS/non DOT tires... results will vary depending where you live (for a couple more years at best).
It's no longer a "street car" when you can't go to an inspection station where you don't know the employees and get a sticker put on it.
Here that rules out a cage/no support beams/EMS/non DOT tires... results will vary depending where you live (for a couple more years at best).
Here that rules out a cage/no support beams/EMS/non DOT tires... results will vary depending where you live (for a couple more years at best).
or maybe that's just me 
The never ending debate across the country...
A guy that used to work for me wrapped his car up at warp speed a couple years ago. The car was a tin can with a 6 point in it and of course no padding or very little of it. They were goofing off before they went out on this run and put some old Fonzie style motorcycle helmets on. It was a good thing they did. After the car got flat bedded back here we noticed both of the helmets had taken quite a beating. The drivers had a couple huge dents in it from smacking off the main hoop and halo. The passengers had another big dent from the halo and concrete marks and dust all over it from his head going through the window and hitting the median barrier. They'd both be dead if it wasn't for those stupid helmets.
Overall I'd consider a cage an unnecessary hazard in a real street car or an occasional track car that is as solidly built as an EVO. In a tin can econobox such as a Colt I'd consider it a necessity. My car will have a jungle jim but it'll be along the lines of a race car with plates.
Overall I'd consider a cage an unnecessary hazard in a real street car or an occasional track car that is as solidly built as an EVO. In a tin can econobox such as a Colt I'd consider it a necessity. My car will have a jungle jim but it'll be along the lines of a race car with plates.
Last edited by Shearer; Oct 21, 2008 at 07:30 AM.
The never ending debate across the country...
A guy that used to work for me wrapped his car up at warp speed a couple years ago. The car was a tin can with a 6 point in it and of course no padding or very little of it. They were goofing off before they went out on this run and put some old Fonzie style motorcycle helmets on. It was a good thing they did. After the car got flat bedded back here we noticed both of the helmets had taken quite a beating. The drivers had a couple huge dents in it from smacking off the main hoop and halo. The passengers had another big dent from the halo and concrete marks and dust all over it from his head going through the window and hitting the median barrier. They'd both be dead if it wasn't for those stupid helmets.
Overall I'd consider a cage an unnecessary hazard in a real street car or an occasional track car that is as solidly built as an EVO. In a tin can econobox such as a Colt I'd consider it a necessity. My car will have a jungle jim but it'll be along the lines of a race car with plates.
A guy that used to work for me wrapped his car up at warp speed a couple years ago. The car was a tin can with a 6 point in it and of course no padding or very little of it. They were goofing off before they went out on this run and put some old Fonzie style motorcycle helmets on. It was a good thing they did. After the car got flat bedded back here we noticed both of the helmets had taken quite a beating. The drivers had a couple huge dents in it from smacking off the main hoop and halo. The passengers had another big dent from the halo and concrete marks and dust all over it from his head going through the window and hitting the median barrier. They'd both be dead if it wasn't for those stupid helmets.
Overall I'd consider a cage an unnecessary hazard in a real street car or an occasional track car that is as solidly built as an EVO. In a tin can econobox such as a Colt I'd consider it a necessity. My car will have a jungle jim but it'll be along the lines of a race car with plates.
The thread is "street car"... in all sactioned events, your "race car" MUST appear to comply with the rules to compete. Therefore the only bar for a "street car" is for it to be able to appear to comply with the rules (laws) to be on the road.
Now ANYONE can argue that fact until they/we are blue in the face, but if it works the other way with "race cars", why would it not with "street cars".
Last edited by Zeus; Oct 21, 2008 at 10:03 AM.