View Poll Results: Choose which ones will influence your decision
Wow, 300hp, 300 ft-lbs from 2.5L Subaru boxer engine
152
22.25%
Proven tuning potential of the Mitsubishi 4G63
355
51.98%
Subaru\'s strong 6-speed manual tranny
138
20.20%
Mitsubishi\'s dependable 5-speed tranny
109
15.96%
DCCD on the STi... wish Evo had ACD
132
19.33%
Stock FMIC on the Evo
164
24.01%
Exterior looks
305
44.66%
Interior quality
148
21.67%
Gross Vehicle Weight
79
11.57%
I want to test drive both before deciding
165
24.16%
Price
261
38.21%
Body Shell Rigidity
133
19.47%
Brakes
163
23.87%
0 - 60 mph and 1/4 mile times
201
29.43%
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Evo vs. STI | Anything and Everything [ALL THREADS MERGED]
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From: boonies
Originally posted by dlowman
There is a rumor floating around about a possible 20 hp loss from the reflash. Where did that rumor come from? A guy dynoing two different cars on two different days. I would not call that conclusive at all. I have the reflash. And I know my butt can tell a 20 hp loss. And mine does not have it.
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There is a rumor floating around about a possible 20 hp loss from the reflash. Where did that rumor come from? A guy dynoing two different cars on two different days. I would not call that conclusive at all. I have the reflash. And I know my butt can tell a 20 hp loss. And mine does not have it.
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exactamundo!...that's all that ->I<- have read about it also...and yes they were from 2 different cars, days, and conditions...AFAIK, nobody yet has done a conclusive test (stock vs reflash) on the same car/conditions...
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From: CT
Originally posted by Eric Lyublinsky
Ah no. WRONG! I have raced 3 sti's and I pull on them at higher speeds. They get the hole shot but after that there mine. 2 blue and one silver. STOCK FOR STOCK THEY ARE CLOSE! I'm a good shifter so I would say if drivers were equal it would be a very close race. Now I have a rice pipe in mine I get them down low and keep pulling.
And you are a WRX's, So I will tell you this a pe1818f car with custom Ecuteck tuning and full supporting mods only got about a half a fender on my EVO and the only thing I had done to it was a test pipe. (Stock boost, stock A/F and stock exhaust) This was at 135mph.
Ah no. WRONG! I have raced 3 sti's and I pull on them at higher speeds. They get the hole shot but after that there mine. 2 blue and one silver. STOCK FOR STOCK THEY ARE CLOSE! I'm a good shifter so I would say if drivers were equal it would be a very close race. Now I have a rice pipe in mine I get them down low and keep pulling.
And you are a WRX's, So I will tell you this a pe1818f car with custom Ecuteck tuning and full supporting mods only got about a half a fender on my EVO and the only thing I had done to it was a test pipe. (Stock boost, stock A/F and stock exhaust) This was at 135mph.
Danny
Originally posted by Danny
Half a car Eric? Sure about that one? Since I was driving that WRX, it seemed like good 2 car lenghts to me.... at least.
Danny
Half a car Eric? Sure about that one? Since I was driving that WRX, it seemed like good 2 car lenghts to me.... at least.
Danny
Eric
Originally posted by Danny
Ahh, excuses... On Rt80, paranoid or not you went full throttle- and lost by a few car lenghts.
Thats all
Ahh, excuses... On Rt80, paranoid or not you went full throttle- and lost by a few car lenghts.
Thats all
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From: CT
Originally posted by Eric Lyublinsky
Oh ya you need glasses. Dude it was half a fendor We were both in 4th. Come on use your excuse about missing a shift or hitting red line. Oh I will give the two cars on 80 but I was paranoid of all the cops around so I really did not push more then 100. But on 280 you only got a half a fendor. And that was at 135mph. Not bad for a bone stock evo with a cat delete pipe.
Eric
Oh ya you need glasses. Dude it was half a fendor We were both in 4th. Come on use your excuse about missing a shift or hitting red line. Oh I will give the two cars on 80 but I was paranoid of all the cops around so I really did not push more then 100. But on 280 you only got a half a fendor. And that was at 135mph. Not bad for a bone stock evo with a cat delete pipe.
Eric
But also for the record, I will say that the Evo is the more fun of the two cars to drive (EVO vs. WRX with a big turbo) simply because of its responsiveness significantly bigger brakes and much better handling, despite the fact that the WRX had Prodrive springs, big wheels and good tires. Now, the STi is a different animal that I havent had the pleasure to "try out".
Thanks
Danny
Originally posted by Danny
Actually, I will say this- yes, I hit the rev limiter in third for good 3-4 seconds and still got you by a fender. There. But on the flip side, I tought I was gonna get you by a lot more than I did- not bad for a nearly stock car.
But also for the record, I will say that the Evo is the more fun of the two cars to drive (EVO vs. WRX with a big turbo) simply because of its responsiveness significantly bigger brakes and much better handling, despite the fact that the WRX had Prodrive springs, big wheels and good tires. Now, the STi is a different animal that I havent had the pleasure to "try out".
Thanks
Danny
Actually, I will say this- yes, I hit the rev limiter in third for good 3-4 seconds and still got you by a fender. There. But on the flip side, I tought I was gonna get you by a lot more than I did- not bad for a nearly stock car.
But also for the record, I will say that the Evo is the more fun of the two cars to drive (EVO vs. WRX with a big turbo) simply because of its responsiveness significantly bigger brakes and much better handling, despite the fact that the WRX had Prodrive springs, big wheels and good tires. Now, the STi is a different animal that I havent had the pleasure to "try out".
Thanks
Danny
Eric
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Originally posted by GranMassaX
so you're saying that tuners like Vishnu, Works, RMR, AMS, Buschur, Pruven, HKS, UR and several others (sorry if I missed some) aren't making quality stuff? ummm..... yeah, remind me not to take advise from you about parts
so you're saying that tuners like Vishnu, Works, RMR, AMS, Buschur, Pruven, HKS, UR and several others (sorry if I missed some) aren't making quality stuff? ummm..... yeah, remind me not to take advise from you about parts
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Originally posted by 909
You definately got your info wrong. Yes Subaru's EJ25 has been around for a long time, but not the EJ25 turbo with semi-closed deck block and forged internals. It's a COMPLETELY new engine developed by STi just for USA. A lot of things made for the EJ20 will NOT fit the STi. Those plumbing mods you mentioned arent exactly "a lot of parts". One major plumbing component is the exhaust manifold, and none of the EJ20 ones fit.
You definately got your info wrong. Yes Subaru's EJ25 has been around for a long time, but not the EJ25 turbo with semi-closed deck block and forged internals. It's a COMPLETELY new engine developed by STi just for USA. A lot of things made for the EJ20 will NOT fit the STi. Those plumbing mods you mentioned arent exactly "a lot of parts". One major plumbing component is the exhaust manifold, and none of the EJ20 ones fit.
Plumbing for headders is correct it is not the same but the other parts I mentioned do in fact fit...I have personally installed them. As far as your above statement you are absolutly correct about alot of new parts on the sti motor...but it is still an EJ25 which has been around for reasearch for sometime...the sti motor is a result of all those years of R&D. That is how my remarks were meant. The person that originally made the statementment seemed to imply that subaru knows nothing about 2.5s which is totally false. Sorry for any confusion.
Originally posted by RIDE1
I dont believe I named any of them in any of my posts...but I will say Busher is junk for sure! They may have been the first (state side), but they are definantly not the quality of other manufactures like Vishnu or HKS
I dont believe I named any of them in any of my posts...but I will say Busher is junk for sure! They may have been the first (state side), but they are definantly not the quality of other manufactures like Vishnu or HKS
I guess just because you say it isn't quality makes it so?
Originally posted by RIDE1
I dont believe I named any of them in any of my posts...but I will say Busher is junk for sure! They may have been the first (state side), but they are definantly not the quality of other manufactures like Vishnu or HKS
I dont believe I named any of them in any of my posts...but I will say Busher is junk for sure! They may have been the first (state side), but they are definantly not the quality of other manufactures like Vishnu or HKS
What is your basis for saying Buschur is junk anyway?
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From: Arlington, TX
Anything that is inexpensive is junk, come on...
If you can't use the dollar to judge quality it's too complex for the average uneducated joe to understand...
Don't let it get to you, it's the same faulty logic that costs people money all the time. It's their own fault and own problem. That's why over priced "luxury" cars that spend so much time in the shop like Audi's, Mercedes are so great. they cost a lot of money.
Stick with what you know and don't spend too much effort trying to help those that are too arrogant to listen.
If you can't use the dollar to judge quality it's too complex for the average uneducated joe to understand...
Don't let it get to you, it's the same faulty logic that costs people money all the time. It's their own fault and own problem. That's why over priced "luxury" cars that spend so much time in the shop like Audi's, Mercedes are so great. they cost a lot of money.
Stick with what you know and don't spend too much effort trying to help those that are too arrogant to listen.
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From: New York / Singapore
lol, RIDE1 is another dumb businessman operating his car parts shop. With just one dumb post, he's a few potential customers plus the nasty word that goes around about his establishment. When do people ever learn???