damn. i caught the last ten seconds.. bummer

 

"In the end, the Evo was just more fun to drive". Classic. The Evo was faster in the dirt, despite a 7 mph slower top speed on the course. I missed it last time and almost missed it this time as well. Thanks for the heads up!

 

Subie guys,

Have you ever heard of Subaru ripping the drivetrain out of a WRX/STi car to look at the flywheel for scorching before doing other warranty work on the drivetrain of the car?

 

My friend had his entire drivetrain warranty voided because of aftermarket rims and Tires on his WRX. They said it put more load on the drivetrain becuase they were a larger diameter. They didn't even have to touch the car, just looked at the rims and tires and said, bring your Visa, becuase at Subaru they don't accept American Expres, heh.

It cost him just under $2000 to have his Tranny repaired. He lost 2 gears. Subaru trannies scare me. Even stock WRX motors can rip em apart.

IMHO, I'd rather replace a clutch.

 

SpikeLs1, You are VERY wrong if you think that MANY Subaru dealers aren't the same about honoring the warranty on modded Wrx's. My friend had a bunch of problems with that very issue. And you are dillusional if you think MITSUBISHI CORP. themselves are watching owners. Regional reps or service managers from a particular dealer or area MIGHT BE doing that....but it is then a dealer issue. There are several dealers in my area that LOVE to see modded Evo's and DSM's and will honor the warranty. The dealer I bought my Evo from actaully encourages autox'ing, etc.
So don't go around saying Mitsubishi and the Evo warranty issues are widespread and common. In your area maybe, but go to a different dealer near you and you may have the exact opposite experience.....there are good dealers and bad...good regional reps and bad. Do your homework on which dealer in your area is good and take it there.

 

First off don't get me wrong. I think the EVO is an amazing car with great potential. It can be easily modded and made very fast.

But about the STi
It is becoming very common to see guys pulling 13.2s - 13.3s in bone stock STi's.
There are also guys pulling low 14s to mid 14s in STi's but its obvious by looking at their slow 60' time, 1/8mile time, and 1/4 mile time and mph , that they don't know how to drive very well.

I know of a guy that ran 14.4 in an STi with full turboback exhaust and blitz intake. I also know 2 other guys that ran
12.8 @ 106 and 12.8 @ 103 mph with the same exact mods. So as you can see the driver is everything in racing.

I saw a post today in NASICO forum of a guy who ran 12.8@103mph yesterday in his STi with just a downpipe and midpipe, stock rear section exhaust . Thats extremely fast for just those mods.
He also ran a 8.1 sec , 1/8 mile time with a 1.6x 60' time. For anyone who races they know how fast that is for the first 1/8 mile in a basically stock STi.

Aslo Shiv, Vishnu performance said he got 376 bhp with their STi with just turboback exhaust and engine tuning. Thats impressive. He is suppose to have a stage 1 kit soon for the STi.

 

It's pretty funny whats been the hot topic on the forums lately. To reiterate what I said in a previous thread about Mitsubishi hiring track spies I will say again, I find it very hard to believe its corporate. Dealers in general, make much more money having you pay for work out of pocket then submiting warranty claims to . My dealership has been realistic with what will and will not void my warranty and my first issue, the 1-2 shift grind was handled without any questions by my service department and the regional rep with me getting my transmission fluid changed for free at 1500 miles. Everything warranty related basically comes down to your service manager. Recommend the STI if you want, It is a great car but If you think your'e getting a different deal warranty wise its a 50/50 shot depending on the dealership you choose.

 

This makes me wonder.. Some people just aren't happy. No matter what they have they just aren't satisfied. and whatever they have in front of them at the moment is either the best or the worst thing in the world. They tend to quickly change whatever is so horrible around them or change whatever they lust after.

Often after switching they talk about how bad something was they just came from. This was the thing they claimed to be the best of the best before switching.

Or they don't like what they have and find something else only to complain about it as well.

Take it all with a grain of salt.

I enjoy my Focus. I enjoy my MR2, I enjoy my Tribute. None are perfect, and none have any major flaws. I'm sure I'll enjoy whatever add to the collection in the spring too.

Evo? AWD G35? RX8? SRT4, Sti?

probably be a Evo with the clutch line, turbo back, intake, and some ecu tuing bits the day I pick it up, but I'm waiting to see what unfolds over the next 6 months.

Then I can start picking up race tires again every other month, heh.

 

I sometimes wonder why Subaru guys roam this forum posting in defense of the not so defenseless Sti. Most guys here including myself respect the car and as for all your statements regarding track times I would bet that have easily been as many if not more low 13 sec passes for the EVO. In modability and track times, the truth is they're both very similar. Now as for 376bhp that is a very misleading number, the actual number that you usually see power rated in is HP and for that the Sti picked up about 55 whp over stock with engine tuning and and turboback to arrive at 270/272. Hmm very similar to what the majority of the EVO guys on the board are getting without even touching the boost which the XEDE does.

 

I love my EVO and honestly have no intention of trading it. It has been utterly reliable, it has taken me from coast to coast, to see both oceans, and I literally LOVE driving it - I wouldn't give it up for anything.

But would I buy another one if this one was stolen or wrecked? NO. I will sing the praises of my own EVO for everyone to hear, but I will not recommend an EVO to anyone else due to this issue, and I would not get one again. And I won't buy another Mitsubishi ever...

Mitsubishi is denying warranty work on cars with NO mods. They are tearing the cars down and peeking at the flywheel/clutch BEFORE deciding to warranty drivetrain failures.

You can try and blame the dealers saying it's just them, but someone previously posted a Mitsubishi service bulletin documenting the tear down procedure and the peak at the flywheel to avoid warranty work. This is not just a dealership vs dealership issue...

 

The cars are about 50-50. Subaru is probably better from a corporate support and general ethics.

If I were in your shoes the deciding factor would be the local dealer and service department. Pick the dealer you trust the most and buy from him. This assumes you can get a good price both ways.

 

Not to say corporate is a great company but as far as support and ethics go, isn't this the same company that released a detonating STi to reach a peak of 300hp to show up their long time rival and for every warranty thread here isn't this a funny post.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=385849

 

From memory, think the sti has a slightly higher ground clearance. The the bumper cladding is not as low as the evo and the evo looks to be slung lower. However, the total height of the sti is an inch to 1.5 inches lower than the evo.

 

I think the Evo sits lower.

 

What issue? the closest I have heard to a drivetrain problem is some snychros that were less than perfect. Some clutches wore down and needed to be replaced. Be careful not to listen too much to the vocal minority.