View Poll Results: Choose which ones will influence your decision
Wow, 300hp, 300 ft-lbs from 2.5L Subaru boxer engine
152
22.25%
Proven tuning potential of the Mitsubishi 4G63
355
51.98%
Subaru\'s strong 6-speed manual tranny
138
20.20%
Mitsubishi\'s dependable 5-speed tranny
109
15.96%
DCCD on the STi... wish Evo had ACD
132
19.33%
Stock FMIC on the Evo
164
24.01%
Exterior looks
305
44.66%
Interior quality
148
21.67%
Gross Vehicle Weight
79
11.57%
I want to test drive both before deciding
165
24.16%
Price
261
38.21%
Body Shell Rigidity
133
19.47%
Brakes
163
23.87%
0 - 60 mph and 1/4 mile times
201
29.43%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 683. You may not vote on this poll
Evo vs. STI | Anything and Everything [ALL THREADS MERGED]
Evo handles better, stable at speed.
STi has more power.
I can fix the Evo's power issue with mods easier than I can fix the the Suburu's handling.
That done, a modded Evo is superior as a driving/performance machine.
Regarding interior, etc., if I were worried about that, I'd get a Quattro or Porche AWD....
Doug
STi has more power.
I can fix the Evo's power issue with mods easier than I can fix the the Suburu's handling.
That done, a modded Evo is superior as a driving/performance machine.
Regarding interior, etc., if I were worried about that, I'd get a Quattro or Porche AWD....
Doug
Newbie
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 98
Likes: 0
Originally posted by Chris in HB
Since it's so close performance-wise, go with the one that makes you smile more when you see it.
I was dead-set on getting an STi until I found out about the 2.5L motor. Not a lot of parts for it yet and also it's still unproven. The 4G63 in the Evo is VERY proven with a lot of parts available. If you plan to keep it stock for a while, this won't matter.
Since it's so close performance-wise, go with the one that makes you smile more when you see it.
I was dead-set on getting an STi until I found out about the 2.5L motor. Not a lot of parts for it yet and also it's still unproven. The 4G63 in the Evo is VERY proven with a lot of parts available. If you plan to keep it stock for a while, this won't matter.
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
where did you find those?
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven
BTW, there are more parts available for the Evo than the Sti.
Originally posted by RIDE1
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
Originally posted by RIDE1
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
Secondly, upgrade parts for the Evo are fairly easy to come by and develop because its already been done before for the DSM 4G63. Doing it again for the Evo 4g63 shouldn't take much work.
Evolving Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 330
Likes: 0
From: Jersey
Originally posted by EVOwhat
i'll give you the seats, but give some credit...yeah there's det problems, but at least subaru responded to the CONSUMER about the problems and are reflashing the ECU to fix the pinging...
i'll give you the seats, but give some credit...yeah there's det problems, but at least subaru responded to the CONSUMER about the problems and are reflashing the ECU to fix the pinging...
Originally posted by RIDE1
Key word... QUALITY parts
Key word... QUALITY parts
Evolved Member
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 635
Likes: 0
From: Gilbert, AZ
Originally posted by RTW EVO
but in doing so they lower the horse power.... i don't call that a solution to the customer's problems...
but in doing so they lower the horse power.... i don't call that a solution to the customer's problems...
OOOOOh SNAP!!!!!
Maybe with a couple mods your detonation problems will come back. Great solution I say!
Evolving Member
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 130
Likes: 0
From: New York / Singapore
You definately got your info wrong. Yes Subaru's EJ25 has been around for a long time, but not the EJ25 turbo with semi-closed deck block and forged internals. It's a COMPLETELY new engine developed by STi just for USA. A lot of things made for the EJ20 will NOT fit the STi. Those plumbing mods you mentioned arent exactly "a lot of parts". One major plumbing component is the exhaust manifold, and none of the EJ20 ones fit.
Originally posted by RIDE1
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
Hey just so you know the STI's 2.5 motor has been around since the 80's and has had tons of R&D it is definantly Proven!! As far as parts...the exhaust and intercooler are direct replacements from the wrx, as well as the under drive pulleys, fuel rails, radiator, radiator hosing, up pipe, and some other parts...the only thing that is 100% uncompatable is the ecu due to diffrent harness and the electronich throt control.
and yes there are tons of parts available for the eclipse/talon version of the 4g63 but there are not many (quality) parts available for the EVO as of yet. Yes there are some parts out, but not near as many for the EVO as the eclipse/talon since the car is new to the states. I know this because I am in the business and have tried to locat parts for both cars...and I actually have had better luck w/ the STi. I have owned a wrx and EVO so I am extremely familiar with both cars.
Not trying to bash your thread....just making some necessary corrections
Tom
Evolving Member
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
From: boonies
Originally posted by RTW EVO
but in doing so they lower the horse power.... i don't call that a solution to the customer's problems...
but in doing so they lower the horse power.... i don't call that a solution to the customer's problems...
Originally posted by MrMeaner
OOOOOh SNAP!!!!!
Maybe with a couple mods your detonation problems will come back. Great solution I say!
OOOOOh SNAP!!!!!
Maybe with a couple mods your detonation problems will come back. Great solution I say!
Last edited by EVOwhat; Sep 8, 2003 at 11:59 AM.
Newbie
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 89
Likes: 0
There is a rumor floating around about a possible 20 hp loss from the reflash. Where did that rumor come from? A guy dynoing two different cars on two different days. I would not call that conclusive at all. I have the reflash. And I know my butt can tell a 20 hp loss. And mine does not have it.
As far as the STi not being tuner friendly?
Vishnu Stage 1: XEDE computer and 3 inch exhaust:
on 91 pump gas
260 whp and 272 lbs of torque!
on 96 octane :
284 wheel hp and 310ft-lbs of torque
The STi stock baseline was 210-215 wheel hp and 220ft-lbs of torque.
Yeah and thats just with tunning. your right.. not very mod friendly at all
As far as the STi not being tuner friendly?
Vishnu Stage 1: XEDE computer and 3 inch exhaust:
on 91 pump gas
260 whp and 272 lbs of torque!
on 96 octane :
284 wheel hp and 310ft-lbs of torque
The STi stock baseline was 210-215 wheel hp and 220ft-lbs of torque.
Yeah and thats just with tunning. your right.. not very mod friendly at all