I don't think you understand how things work buddy. I believe that Subaru put the intercooler ontop of the motor to save money in making a stronger front bumper. A FMIC needs special attention because the bumpers need be focused on more. But no, Subaru decided to save the money, and worry about performance later. And you saying that the WRXs' are stronger and mroe reliable, back it up buddy haven't you been hearing about teh faulty trannsmission and failures ... probably not. You need to stop being so biased. Also, the Japanese talking about how teh FMIC is hindering the cooling of the car and radiator is so false! Why would people the "Japanese" even put those big intercoolers, what's the stroy behind that huh?. You have to check that out.

 

Well, I guess it would affect the cooling of the car by a bit. Since the FMIC is mounted directly in front of the radiator, it "hinders" a bit of the air going towards the radiator because of two things. 1) The FMIC blocks some of the air going towards the radiator and 2) the air going towards the radiator will be heated a little (albeit very minimally).

However, the restrictions put on by the FMIC do not extremely hinder cooling.

 

Why di this guy even post here, to start trouble? Both are great cars, with their advantages/disadvantages over each other. This reminds me of a certain Neon SRT-4 thread. Lets not bash, or try to start trouble. Everyone has an opinion, and opinions are like **** holes, everyone has them, lol. Just remember though STI guy, you came and posted on an Evo biased site. One wonders how many people are going to back you up, lol.

 

Not true, because I post here, yet I still think the Yugo kicks *** on everything, especially on the STi S202XJ-22 or whatever it was called.

 

I think you got that mixed. Usually RWD car with same HP as the AWD, makes higher trap speed and lower ET. This goes because of lower losses in the drivetrain, less grip off the line (worse short times) and possible lower weight. So, if you would have them to roll a bit longer RWD would catch up and probably pass the AWD car, assuming the rest to be the same!

Mr. AWD

 

I think you meant higher trap speed and higher ET. That way the RWD is faster, but less quick than AWD. You're right, AWD becomes a hindrance once the car is moving well, and RWD cars could pass the AWD ones if given enough distance.

 

Maybe when they say "fastest" they mean top speed. I kinda assume that when I hear "fast" and "quick" usually pertains to 0-60 and 1/4mi in my head. Maybe it's just me. Did they have any fine print with the claim? I haven't heard/seen it. Probably because the car isn't sold here in the US. ...yet?

 

No, I did mean lower ET, because that is how it happens usually. They loose too much time at the start, and they make up some of that at the end due to the higher trap speed (lower losses and less weight vs. AWD).

If you go to some of the drag strip time lists, you will see the typical difference between the AWD and RWD cars.

Here is a good one for the AWD: http://www.dsmtimes.org but I can't find the one from my f-body friends!

Mr. AWD

 

Bleh. Fastest four door? Its our friend the Audi RS6. Unhindered by its electronic limiter it can see 180+ MPH. Just enough to make a 911 blush.

Quickest? Maybe the S202 is the quickest if all you count is 0-60. I enjoyed the new review of the 03 STI on Apexjapan... its good to see they are now pioneering such radical advancements such as a "Drivers Control Center Differential" and throttle steering with oversteer being the focus of the car at the limit. Yep, r-evolution-ary.

My order for the Evo is still in. Of course if Mitsti drops the ball I can always get on a list for the STi, or maybe just get a C4S and never get into these arguments again.

 

No, you mean higher.

For example:
AWD 13.5 at 100mph
RWD 13.7 at 105mph (both are higher)

13.7 > 13.5

If the RWD already has a lower ET and higher trap, then it has passed the AWD before the end of the 1/4 mile, therefore your conjecture, "So, if you would have them to roll a bit longer RWD would catch up and probably pass the AWD car, assuming the rest to be the same!" would not be valid if the RWD finishes first.

I've seen enough RWD and AWD cars at the track to know as you do that while the AWD can get a lower 60' and lower ET, the RWD has the higher trap speed, and would pass the AWD if given more distance.

 

I get it now! I guess, it comes with the age...

I was talking of lower performances since going slower at higher mph numbers means lower performance. Oh well!
Thanks for the clear up!


Mr. AWD

 

I think what Mr. AWD means is, same ET, higher trap speed for the RWD.

 

if you wanna drag go get an car

evo/sti are build for track

can't really compare a e55 to a sti they are 2 differnt class car

if subaru really advertise their car as the fastest 4 door seden they would say in the class not like the way you put it " fastest in the word " they would say " fastest in the world in its class " so they wont get their *** sued by makng lies

 

What is the C4S? About the RS6.....its the fastest sedan? how does it compare to the Evo coming here, specs and price? I went to the South Florida International Auto Show and I saw the WRX. Its not very spacious. i know itz supposed to be small for aerodynamics and stuff, but its a tight fight in the back. The sales rep. for told me the Evo has the same dimensions as the Lancer. From pictures, the Evo lookz bigger and longer than the Lancer. Who knows if this is true or not?

DiaBLo