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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
Show me a video of you doing 3 stops then from 120 to 0 back to back with no video cutting or coasting to cool off. If you dont start fading on the 3rd one I'll consider that optoin.

while we're at it: let me see you drive around the block in first gear, bouncing off the rev limiter, for about 30mins to see if you don't need a better oil cooler.

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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 07:46 AM
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You keep sounding pretty testy. Get serious getting others to shoot video for you to do development work

You might want to consider running a low boost map for 91, put good pads on there based on what you know, an optimal brake cooling solution, decrease rake if you run a lot and then drive and see how far you get. At least that should increase your potential track time.

If you want to run a 500whp Evo on a road circuit for extended periods, especially one that is more like a street circuit, you better bring some serious $$$ with expert knowledge and then some to make this work.

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Show me a video of you doing 3 stops then from 120 to 0 back to back with no video cutting or coasting to cool off. If you dont start fading on the 3rd one I'll consider that optoin.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 11:38 AM
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can this thread be closed? OP obviously knows more than the track guys on here.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 12:24 PM
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there is a full test on a very hot day in Japan done by Best Motoring 20min+ stock cars and resistance to heat, fade, etc. Unsurprisingly, the CT9A was the best of the bunch. Remember, braking has nothing to do with WHP. Search on youtube. My $0.02
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 02:15 PM
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Why? I'm not making any claims that my setup is track capable. Your the one making claims. So stop claiming your setup is capable or provide proof. Three stops back to back without fade is a simple test for any track worthy car.
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while we're at it: let me see you drive around the block in first gear, bouncing off the rev limiter, for about 30mins to see if you don't need a better oil cooler.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 02:18 PM
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In my experience the second one will start the fade and the third one will really show it. If you can't go 120 to 0, three times how are you going to survive 120-40mph for 20 minutes at a time?
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Now it's three times instead of two? Now it's 120 to 0 mph? Who does that at a track and not get kicked out or have other cars end up in their back seat? Is it a reverse drag racing track? NOBODY DOES 120 to 0 MPH on a race track. NOBODY.

There are SOOOO MANY VIDEOS ONLINE of tracked evos with stock brembos doing laps. SO MANY.

Fading your Evo brakes on the street with ST43 pads? COME ON NOW.

Serious troll is serious troll at this point. Ridiculous thread.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 02:21 PM
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It's very clear now those that have never done a couple stops from 120mph still insist it's possible. Buying a car called an evolution yet refusing to admit obvious weakness.
Fine dont evolve just run the same old crap brakes that have been on the car for 3 generations and expect to hang with any modern machinery.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:23 PM
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teach me how to evolve senpai^^^
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
Why? I'm not making any claims that my setup is track capable. Your the one making claims. So stop claiming your setup is capable or provide proof. Three stops back to back without fade is a simple test for any track worthy car.
because my facetious request is as ridiculous as yours. when you ask a part do something so pointless and outside of it's purpose, you have to expect failure.
of course you don't need a car that can run for 30mins straight at 7500rpm. just like you don't need a car to do 120-0 repeatedly.

on the bright side, you are extremely entertaining and i sincerely thank you for helping through a long, long work day. and not in a condescending way. i mean this thread actually is fun.

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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 03:59 PM
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:11 PM
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OEM Brembo's will not hold up to hard usage. Their tendency to flex under load causing massive pad taper and spongy pedal is well known to those who track them hard.

But no need to reinvent the wheel. AP Racing BBK, done.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:17 PM
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Yeah too bad they are so "new" to north america with the mono6 caliper that they can't even offer a proper template to testfit wheels with.
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OEM Brembo's will not hold up to hard usage. Their tendency to flex under load causing massive pad taper and spongy pedal is well known to those who track them hard.

But no need to reinvent the wheel. AP Racing BBK, done.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:34 PM
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Sit on your duff and do nothing while more cars come out with better brakes. I bet even the ford ST AWD will have better brakes.
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Old Mar 19, 2015 | 05:36 PM
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Ok smart guy my ideal track time is 1:16 at this track so i'll give you that much time between your 120-40 runs to cool off and let me know how many of those you can do before you fade. Of course thats MUCH more generous given there is more than just one stretch in that lap which requires braking hard.
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because my facetious request is as ridiculous as yours. when you ask a part do something so pointless and outside of it's purpose, you have to expect failure.
of course you don't need a car that can run for 30mins straight at 7500rpm. just like you don't need a car to do 120-0 repeatedly.

on the bright side, you are extremely entertaining and i sincerely thank you for helping through a long, long work day. and not in a condescending way. i mean this thread actually is fun.
Old Mar 19, 2015 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
Ok smart guy my ideal track time is 1:16 at this track so i'll give you that much time between your 120-40 runs to cool off and let me know how many of those you can do before you fade. Of course thats MUCH more generous given there is more than just one stretch in that lap which requires braking hard.
i'll be right over.



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