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Old Mar 20, 2015 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
I guess these cars just wern't meant to run full weight with say an r8 around the same track. Oh pooh.
Yes doing one stop from 120-40 which happens every 1:16 sec's isn't realistic , your absolutely right because turn 1 is about 135-40 the next turn is 85-40 and the one after that is 110-30 with six more turns remaining and only two as sweepers yeah I agree.

Take my challenge or stfu.
I wonder why everyone here says otherwise when you clearly know better. You getting hostile proves the point further.
I can't take you serious nor your street-fighterish "challenge". I've run many tracks with turns like you describe. We all do and manage just fine.
Don't worry, you'll probably get the hang of it one day 👍
Old Mar 20, 2015 | 08:10 PM
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Thats because most of them dont even read far enough into it to realize it's not possible.
Yes you've run so many tracks like this yet you refuse to come and make an easy cash prize. Mmmhmmm
It's ok one day you too might just experience a fast car that requires better brakes.
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I wonder why everyone here says otherwise when you clearly know better. You getting hostile proves the point further.
I can't take you serious nor your street-fighterish "challenge". I've run many tracks with turns like you describe. We all do and manage just fine.
Don't worry, you'll probably get the hang of it one day ��
Old Mar 20, 2015 | 08:41 PM
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can the admin close this thread as OP knows more than everyone else. its runs its course, options and ideas have been made and every one thrown back in our face.
Old Mar 20, 2015 | 11:40 PM
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He still needs to try higher temp fluid before he's maxed out the stock setup.
Old Mar 21, 2015 | 09:10 AM
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Well it appears the Alcon guys finally got me the right template, they also provided some info about stoptech race teams using being different rotor material than they sell to the public.
Alcon sells the same for both race teams and public. Anyone have any knowledge about the stoptech claim?
Old Mar 21, 2015 | 02:04 PM
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Well it appears the Alcon guys finally got me the right template, they also provided some info about stoptech race teams using being different rotor material than they sell to the public.
Alcon sells the same for both race teams and public. Anyone have any knowledge about the stoptech claim?
Yes! We have lots more info and advice for you to disprove of.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 08:41 AM
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Whats troubling is Alcon doesn't show any replacement rotors or 380mm caliper rebuild kits.
Replacement parts all available stateside.



Kits, Seals, Pads, Rotors, etc...

Yes... In stock in the US.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 04:50 PM
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This thread was great! A+, would read again. Reminds me of the good old days of evom.

OP you are seriously mistaken on the level you and your car, and apparently your friend and his car, are at. Thats where this whole thread derailed hard. No one looks at mission raceway and thinks "daaayyyuum now thats the most challenging track in North America!" Its not even the greatest track in Canada for that matter, and nor are the people that compete in that time attack series. To put it into perspective, this is the fastest ct9a in Canada:



This car held the overall unlimited record in CSCS in 2011. Very few cars have gone faster, including a 430 scuderia, highly highly modified R35 GTR, and a couple extremely modified STIs. And yet this car and driver would not hold a candle to some of the guys that replied on this thread. But if you look closely at the pic what do you see? Stock brembos....yes the fastest ct9a in Canada is on stock brembos. $8k pectel ecu....but them stock brakes were just fine!

It means nothing if you say you're the fastest ct9a even in BC. I can say I'm the fastest ct9a now in Alberta but that is like saying I got the biggest **** in a pigmy tribe. Theres always someone faster and when they're trying to talk sense into you its probably wise to listen and not imply they're little honda ricers running around Cali.

BTW what the hell are you doing with 500whp on a road race circuit? That APH evo has 500hp but has a ****ton of downforce and slicks for that power. You won't be able to fully take advantage of that hp without serious chassis/aero work.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 05:50 PM
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This thread was great! A+, would read again. Reminds me of the good old days of evom.

OP you are seriously mistaken on the level you and your car, and apparently your friend and his car, are at. Thats where this whole thread derailed hard. No one looks at mission raceway and thinks "daaayyyuum now thats the most challenging track in North America!" Its not even the greatest track in Canada for that matter, and nor are the people that compete in that time attack series. To put it into perspective, this is the fastest ct9a in Canada:



This car held the overall unlimited record in CSCS in 2011. Very few cars have gone faster, including a 430 scuderia, highly highly modified R35 GTR, and a couple extremely modified STIs. And yet this car and driver would not hold a candle to some of the guys that replied on this thread. But if you look closely at the pic what do you see? Stock brembos....yes the fastest ct9a in Canada is on stock brembos. $8k pectel ecu....but them stock brakes were just fine!

It means nothing if you say you're the fastest ct9a even in BC. I can say I'm the fastest ct9a now in Alberta but that is like saying I got the biggest **** in a pigmy tribe. Theres always someone faster and when they're trying to talk sense into you its probably wise to listen and not imply they're little honda ricers running around Cali.

BTW what the hell are you doing with 500whp on a road race circuit? That APH evo has 500hp but has a ****ton of downforce and slicks for that power. You won't be able to fully take advantage of that hp without serious chassis/aero work.
Falling on def ears, my friend.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 06:59 PM
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Waiting for the inevitable reply(ies) by the OP to post #98 with:

"I bet it can't do 140mph to 0mph three times in a row"

"Who cares about unlimited class records, that doesn't mean anything"

"It doesn't matter to me because it has no back seats"

"Have you SEEN the track my buddy I keep referencing tracks his Evo on? It has CORNERS after the straights!"
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 07:37 PM
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Anyone is welcome to come try the track at mission esp you deez since your the closest. Until you've run a 1:16 here you'll never understand. 20 MINUTES NOT @$@#$@#$ TIME ATTACK.
I dont care to have the fastest evo anywhere, that lap time is the level of cars I want to be running with. The only cars on stock brakes there come from the factory with carbon.

People just dont care to read anymore. Oh time attack who needs big brakes. I have 0 interest in time attack.

The most depressing part of all this is how resistant people are to change. Cars that weigh this much come with more hp now also come with bigger brakes.
Stay competitive or go run with the hondas.
Guess these are the same people that run 4 wheel drum brakes a generation ago.

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Old Mar 24, 2015 | 07:44 PM
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Yeah too bad they are so "new" to north america with the mono6 caliper that they can't even offer a proper template to testfit wheels with.
http://www.essexparts.com/shop/compl...ix-bundle.html

What do you mean template? Buy the kit, slightly smaller profile than the OEM Brembos. Yes they are 4-pot, but are light years ahead of the brembo's. No comparison on the rigidity of the caliper. I was killing a set of front pads every weekend on the Brembos after I moved to A6's. Front Brembo's were flexing, horrible pad taper, uneven wear, spongy pedal.

With the AP kit, only the slightest hint of pad taper after more than one weekend. Pads last 4-5 weekends now. And the pedal stays firm. Plus the pads are 1/2 the price of the same compound for the OEM Brembo. It pays for itself in short order.

To be fair, I am hard on my brakes. The way I see it braking later than other folks is 'free' time.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 08:48 PM
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To be fair, 20 minute sessions is different than time attack.

My Evo X puts down decent times during time attacks. It also overheats after 10 minutes on track due to SST. It won't make a full 20 minute session if I drive hard for 10 minutes.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Grimgrak
Anyone is welcome to come try the track at mission esp you deez since your the closest. Until you've run a 1:16 here you'll never understand. 20 MINUTES NOT @$@#$@#$ TIME ATTACK.
I will one day don't worry. I've seen and spectated at mission already. I've tracked this evo in several tracks in Ontario, in Quebec and pretty soon I'll start tracking in Alberta. And yes I have done solid 30min hard tracking sessions with ~7 sessions an event at more challenging tracks (Mosport). I run stock brembos (blackbos now), hawk dtc60, ATE super blue. Yes...ATE super blue, haven't faded on them yet ! Heat range >2000F (burnt all the paint markers off my dba). Only reason I pit usually is because my tires (RS3s) get overheated and greasy, not because of my brakes. My gopro batteries fail before my brakes do.

I start every season usually with new brake pads (not worth running pads with 20% left from last year), new fluid flush, and thats kind of it for brakes. I've changed seals once on the brembos. I'd have to ask how old is your fluid? Back when I used to fade brakes it was usually the culprit, followed by incorrect pads. And if still fading then look into better rotors / cooling ducts.

I get what JDavenport is saying about pad wear and pad flex. Yes the taper is bad and the brakes are spongy when the going gets really hot. But it still brakes, just not as confidently. And I've found pad taper and sponginess is greatly reduced if I pre-tap my brakes with my left foot before braking for a corner. I'm not winning NASA/SCCA trophys every other weekend so I'm cool with these "time attack" brakes that somehow last 30mins with maintained effectiveness and minor subjective issues.
Old Mar 24, 2015 | 09:21 PM
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I have to trust my brakes 100% since I like to late brake. Mission is lacking in the way of tirewalls. If you go off chances are your going to eat concrete. I wont tolerate any sort of flex. Mind made up now I just have to find wheels in 18 with a 435mm+ inner barrel diameter.

The only way your lasting 30 minutes is your coasting cool down laps before you go in for 1 time attack style lap and thats not what i'm after. I want to hang lap after lap and get a good rythm going.

All those other more "challenging" tracks have nice high speed sweepers to cool your brakes off on. You'll see when you actually run here. Give me a time and date i'll bring all the "fresh" brake fluid you like.

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