Horrible, Absolutely Horrible
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when I bought my evo, the dealer wouldn't let me drive it. just took me for a ride. I think its because it's their most expensive car. I went to a mercedes dealer with my dad the other day and they let me drive an e500 4matic and s600 4matic without hesitation. the guy at the MB dealer didn't even take my driver's license. what's more is that he didn't even come with my dad and I. My family has two mercedes, two lexus, two audis and an evo and it's amazing how much different the dealers are.
Well, sounds like your mind's made up. Get the G37, you know you want that one. As far as pricing goes for the MR, if you get it from South Coast Mitsu, it'll likely be at invoice pricing (about $2k below MSRP) + your gadgets that you need so badly. Would come out to $40k + shipping to Florida ($650 or so) = less than $41k. Don't know how you will get the G37 for $15k below invoice, sounds kind of out there, unless of course it's used.
BTW This isnt a horrible story....goto www.rotten.com <---- now there some horrible stories
Last edited by redteam22003; Feb 19, 2008 at 08:41 PM.
I dont get it, you complain that they wont let you drive it when apparently, you really dont seem to know much about the car, or have a real passion for wanting one (as cheezy as that sounds).
I base that off the comment
No. They arent. I wouldnt want anyone who actually felt that way, to the point of considering an srt4 and a 335i in the same class, driving a nice evo I might buy.
Dont act like your doing them a favor, especially since the economy is bad.. man i loved that line. Someones going to buy it, someones probobly going to pay list or even more for it, simply because they actually want one and badly.
I fully support dealers not letting people, especially children drive them, I got my VIII with .8 miles on it. I didnt get to drive it before I bought it, and im damn glad no one else did either.
I base that off the comment
350z, S2000, G37, STi, 335i, is350, SRT-4 all in the same performance class,
Dont act like your doing them a favor, especially since the economy is bad.. man i loved that line. Someones going to buy it, someones probobly going to pay list or even more for it, simply because they actually want one and badly.
I fully support dealers not letting people, especially children drive them, I got my VIII with .8 miles on it. I didnt get to drive it before I bought it, and im damn glad no one else did either.
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Actually, ive been following the Evo X for quite some time, and i know just as much about it as anyone else who hasnt driven it yet. when i say performance i mean power, they are all in the 280-320 range, its all the little goodies and extras that divide them, and price.
never said it was a horror story, and if you paid attention im *****ing about the dodge dealer, not the mitsu dealer, but in general any dealer doing that bull**** is a piece of crap. but thats just how things are. Horrible service just means they wont get my business.
I've been dying for an Evo, but after getting in a G37, i guess ill just have to wait till i sit in an MR and ill have that same omgwtf feeling, and if i do, im buying it.
never said it was a horror story, and if you paid attention im *****ing about the dodge dealer, not the mitsu dealer, but in general any dealer doing that bull**** is a piece of crap. but thats just how things are. Horrible service just means they wont get my business.
I've been dying for an Evo, but after getting in a G37, i guess ill just have to wait till i sit in an MR and ill have that same omgwtf feeling, and if i do, im buying it.
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I dont get it, you complain that they wont let you drive it when apparently, you really dont seem to know much about the car, or have a real passion for wanting one (as cheezy as that sounds).
I base that off the comment
No. They arent. I wouldnt want anyone who actually felt that way, to the point of considering an srt4 and a 335i in the same class, driving a nice evo I might buy.
Dont act like your doing them a favor, especially since the economy is bad.. man i loved that line. Someones going to buy it, someones probobly going to pay list or even more for it, simply because they actually want one and badly.
I fully support dealers not letting people, especially children drive them, I got my VIII with .8 miles on it. I didnt get to drive it before I bought it, and im damn glad no one else did either.
I base that off the comment
No. They arent. I wouldnt want anyone who actually felt that way, to the point of considering an srt4 and a 335i in the same class, driving a nice evo I might buy.
Dont act like your doing them a favor, especially since the economy is bad.. man i loved that line. Someones going to buy it, someones probobly going to pay list or even more for it, simply because they actually want one and badly.
I fully support dealers not letting people, especially children drive them, I got my VIII with .8 miles on it. I didnt get to drive it before I bought it, and im damn glad no one else did either.
Let me ask this question, who here would spend an hour doing paper work and saying youd buy a car just to test drive an SRT-4 for 2 minutes? Who here would honestly do that? No one. thats my point.
Reason why its horrible is because i was annoyed by the fact that i set up an appointment to TEST DRIVE it and not sign papers. But, they are a piece of crap.
All i was wondering was if anyones been through this crap with a dealer recently for a car as ****ty as the SRT-4 (rare, but cheap) and if anyone has had their mitsu dealer tell them they cant drive the evo.
I'm sure had i driven over to the mitsu dealer with my friend's 9, they'd be more than happy to give me a test drive, but i didnt bother.
Anyhow, this has turned into nothing but a cluster **** with a few good mentions as to what i really wanted to post about. Thanks to those who actually knew what was going on and responding, and to hell with those who are outright retarded.
I a dealership is right to not let anyone test drive there car unless they are looking to buy and is willing to sign paperwork stating so. because when I bought my X it had 8 miles on it. If i would have went into that delaership and my car would have had something like 50 to whatever miles. I can all but guarantee I would not have left there with that car. Because most(not all) people who test drive a car like an evo(or just about any sports car for that matter) is going to drive it hard. do you really wont to by a car that has been driven that hard by someone else or would you wont one that has 5-15 miles on it. and the only time it has been driven hard is when it was at the factory and they tested everything to make sure it worked. just like every oher evo that rolls off the line.
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Being in the same horsepower range isn't the best way to compare. The '07 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 has well, 500 hp, & does 0-60 in 4.5 & 1/4 in 12.9. Evo IXs can do that out of the box, but are in the 280 somethin hp range. Shouldn't a 500 hp car be faster, by your logic.
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I never said a higher HP car was faster than a lower, the G37 has the most HP out of all of them IIRC (at 330hp) but frankly is probably one of the slowest. again, they are all probably the most exponential increase of performance you could line up together without getting a drastic jump from one to the next in line. SRT-4 being the lowest, and based on impressions and reviews the X or 335i being the highest with all the others falling in the middle with a decent improvement over the last.
As far as getting a car for so much under MSRP, we've purchased brand new cars and trucks before for atleast 10k under MSRP, its not a hard feat if you know where to go and who to talk to and how to talk to them.
If you buy an evo x with 50 miles on it, youre buying a demo car, and they do sell those and usually give you a decent deal. But, you tell me honestly that you wouldnt tear *** in your new evo and you'd wait 500 miles before having fun, then tell me those 50 miles make a huge difference. Honestly. Worst case senario you mess it up even more and bring it in for service? Oh thank god for a Warranty, which will fix anything you have a problem with if you know how to express it. Too bad youd have to drive around in a crappy *** car while you waited for your evo to get out of the shop though, because still.. its not the same as spending the exact ammount of money on a luxury vehicle, youre still treated like crap im sure.
As far as getting a car for so much under MSRP, we've purchased brand new cars and trucks before for atleast 10k under MSRP, its not a hard feat if you know where to go and who to talk to and how to talk to them.
If you buy an evo x with 50 miles on it, youre buying a demo car, and they do sell those and usually give you a decent deal. But, you tell me honestly that you wouldnt tear *** in your new evo and you'd wait 500 miles before having fun, then tell me those 50 miles make a huge difference. Honestly. Worst case senario you mess it up even more and bring it in for service? Oh thank god for a Warranty, which will fix anything you have a problem with if you know how to express it. Too bad youd have to drive around in a crappy *** car while you waited for your evo to get out of the shop though, because still.. its not the same as spending the exact ammount of money on a luxury vehicle, youre still treated like crap im sure.
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What exactly was the point of posting this in the first place? You had to have known you were going to start a flame war. And then to keep coming back trying to defend yourself. Just let it die out. This thread really isn't going anywhere...
okay, I was a salesmanager at Best Buy before a salesmanager at a car dealer, a $4000 plasma tv had $2000 markup , that as much as a evo or a civic I sell... The plasma tv guy wants 10% off and the car guy wants 20%... That is an issue... But its perception.. I have no issue showing someone msrp an invoice
And the dealer makes more than invoice depending on the mnufacterer... Its called "holdback" , look it up on edmunds ... But it supposed to be for cleanup, commisions , paying for pdi, gas and overhead...
You can sell a car for invoice or below and hope they service or finance
And as for test drives.. It is a gray area.. If the dealer only gets 2 evo's a month they probably won't have a test drive car setup or let people that arena very serious drive them
Would you buy an evo with 80 miles on it?
I have a deposit on a gtr, I know they won't let me drive it until I sign the purchase order and they have run my credit or seen my check
All of us dealers aren't so bad, its the individual you deal with...
And the dealer makes more than invoice depending on the mnufacterer... Its called "holdback" , look it up on edmunds ... But it supposed to be for cleanup, commisions , paying for pdi, gas and overhead...
You can sell a car for invoice or below and hope they service or finance
And as for test drives.. It is a gray area.. If the dealer only gets 2 evo's a month they probably won't have a test drive car setup or let people that arena very serious drive them
Would you buy an evo with 80 miles on it?
I have a deposit on a gtr, I know they won't let me drive it until I sign the purchase order and they have run my credit or seen my check
All of us dealers aren't so bad, its the individual you deal with...
If you buy an evo x with 50 miles on it, youre buying a demo car, and they do sell those and usually give you a decent deal. But, you tell me honestly that you wouldnt tear *** in your new evo and you'd wait 500 miles before having fun, then tell me those 50 miles make a huge difference. Honestly. Worst case senario you mess it up even more and bring it in for service? Oh thank god for a Warranty, which will fix anything you have a problem with if you know how to express it. Too bad youd have to drive around in a crappy *** car while you waited for your evo to get out of the shop though, because still.. its not the same as spending the exact ammount of money on a luxury vehicle, youre still treated like crap im sure.
I did and i wouldnt get base of either. I need all the little gadgets. Basically they will both come out to roughly $44-46k MSRP with all packages (G37 is max'd out at $46.xxx with EVERYTHING) and the MR will be $38k base + 5k or so for all the packages and extras.
Now lets factor in premiums. on the MR people will either be nice and charge MSRP or they will be bastards and charge premiums over 5k and up, putting it to more than the base MSRP of a G37
But, since the G37 has been out and is very easy to get, it will be alot cheaper, probably 5-10k under MSRP. which then places the price difference with the G37 being cheaper by 5-15k.
Now to compare specs
G37 has:
Full leather interior with electronic EVERYTHING(nothing cooler than being able to get out of the back seat with a push of a button
)
330HP RWD 270tq(alittle more i think)
Nav System and all those other electronic goodies.
Bose sound system (... come on now, it speaks for itself)
and all the other exterior things we love, headed side mirrors, reverse camera, HIDs etc etc
MR has:
just shy of 300hp and a bit over 300tq i believe, cant remember the EXACT specs
Interior:
Ricardo Racing seats... other than that.... the same ****ty *** interior you get in the 14k lancer?
decent sound system.. but come on.. bose.
Nothing power still right? that saddens me, but it is 4 door so you can easily get in the back :P but then thats another thing 4 doors, more practical (but i could get am M35 if that was the case, but i dont care about 2 more doors specially considering the M35 is 10k more lol)
but now for the things that make the evo...
S-AWC
SST
AWD
So sure, the G37 doesnt have the SST or S-AWC or AWD, but it has so much more to the actual car. if it came down to what i would buy for a TRACK, id get an evo. but lets face it people we arent living on tracks. Its nice to have power and fun while feeling like youre actually safe or in a very nice car.
Again the question is, is the S-AWC that much better than the stability systems on the G37, is it worth the extra money for your front wheels to move with your rear ones, and is the SST tranny and all the others mentioned not only worth the money, but is it worth sacrificing what could be the most luxurious car you could ever buy without losing any power.
Now lets factor in premiums. on the MR people will either be nice and charge MSRP or they will be bastards and charge premiums over 5k and up, putting it to more than the base MSRP of a G37
But, since the G37 has been out and is very easy to get, it will be alot cheaper, probably 5-10k under MSRP. which then places the price difference with the G37 being cheaper by 5-15k.
Now to compare specs
G37 has:
Full leather interior with electronic EVERYTHING(nothing cooler than being able to get out of the back seat with a push of a button
)330HP RWD 270tq(alittle more i think)
Nav System and all those other electronic goodies.
Bose sound system (... come on now, it speaks for itself)
and all the other exterior things we love, headed side mirrors, reverse camera, HIDs etc etc
MR has:
just shy of 300hp and a bit over 300tq i believe, cant remember the EXACT specs
Interior:
Ricardo Racing seats... other than that.... the same ****ty *** interior you get in the 14k lancer?
decent sound system.. but come on.. bose.
Nothing power still right? that saddens me, but it is 4 door so you can easily get in the back :P but then thats another thing 4 doors, more practical (but i could get am M35 if that was the case, but i dont care about 2 more doors specially considering the M35 is 10k more lol)
but now for the things that make the evo...
S-AWC
SST
AWD
So sure, the G37 doesnt have the SST or S-AWC or AWD, but it has so much more to the actual car. if it came down to what i would buy for a TRACK, id get an evo. but lets face it people we arent living on tracks. Its nice to have power and fun while feeling like youre actually safe or in a very nice car.
Again the question is, is the S-AWC that much better than the stability systems on the G37, is it worth the extra money for your front wheels to move with your rear ones, and is the SST tranny and all the others mentioned not only worth the money, but is it worth sacrificing what could be the most luxurious car you could ever buy without losing any power.
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While people are starving to death and getting killed in Africa.
We've got 20 year old kids ****ing about not being able to test drive a 30K+ car in America.
We've got 20 year old kids ****ing about not being able to test drive a 30K+ car in America.
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