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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexander
They were doing a comparison to the IX RS and noted the iron block, that statement was taken out of context - the X will not have an iron block in any trim level.
if thats right, that sux. Now all I want to know is if the evo sportback will be produced for the US. If not, it looks like a 135i for me .
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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I just had a tuning appointment with the biggest and best evo tuner in europe that also retails for a major US evo tuning company... He has seen and driven the evo X multiple times on the Nurburgring, and said it is astonishingly more responsive in both power and handling...
That would be amazing. I hope you're right, but even as a Subaru-guy (Or soon to be ex-Subaru-guy) I have to admit that the Evo VIII and IX are very responsive cars; superior to the STI in that respect by a long shot. If the X proved to be noticeably more responsive than the previous Evos, that's stunning.

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if thats right, that sux. Now all I want to know is if the evo sportback will be produced for the US. If not, it looks like a 135i for me .
Probably not for another year or two. I'm not a fan of hatchbacks or stationwagons (though I'd take one over an SUV or Minivan ANYday.) But the sportback concept looks really good to me. If you look at the Sportback Concept as the same as the Concept X and see how MItsu changed that, then the Sportback should look really good in final production form. If Mitsu acts like Subaru and makes the sportback the only version of the Evo, I wouldn't mind, to be honest.

But I definately think it'll be a 2010 car. I'll bet Mitsu is looking at the USDM acceptance of the new STI to see if the sportback would fly here.
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by arpad
I just had a tuning appointment with the biggest and best evo tuner in europe that also retails for a major US evo tuning company... He has seen and driven the evo X multiple times on the Nurburgring, and said it is astonishingly more responsive in both power and
handling...
astonishing compared to the 8 and the 9?
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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You know Mitsubishi themselves said the steering on the X won't be as "tactile" or as involving as the IV. Came straight from the project leader's mouth.
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jackygor
astonishing compared to the 8 and the 9?
Yep.
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 02:06 PM
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Nope, I plan to get an Evo X a few years from now when all the bugs are sorted out. Pretty lame, huh?
Wow you have 1700 posts on here and you don't even own an Evo? If you plan on buying a 4B11 X, it looks like you never will either. Lame sauce. Why don't you just leave and go back onto the honda forums or something until the X actually comes out?
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stock
You know Mitsubishi themselves said the steering on the X won't be as "tactile" or as involving as the IV. Came straight from the project leader's mouth.
As the 4? Seems like an odd comparison. How did the IX compare to the IV?

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Wow you have 1700 posts on here and you don't even own an Evo? If you plan on buying a 4B11 X, it looks like you never will either. Lame sauce. Why don't you just leave and go back onto the honda forums or something until the X actually comes out?
And you have over 2000 and this is how you behave? You do realize the evolutionm.net has a bad reputation for responses like that, right?
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Old Jul 23, 2007 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
Wow you have 1700 posts on here and you don't even own an Evo? If you plan on buying a 4B11 X, it looks like you never will either. Lame sauce. Why don't you just leave and go back onto the honda forums or something until the X actually comes out?
I'm not into Hondas. You are one of the most immature people in this forum.Go away.
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Old Jul 27, 2007 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sonicnofadz
Ahaha, iron sleeves don't mean anything. Have you noticed that all of the engines you've mentioned have trouble making big power without breaking? For instance. lets compare the LS1 vs ford's iron 5.0. LS1 is nice because its light and has tons of aftermarket support, but the 5.0 can put down absolutely insane amounts of power without breaking or distorting. IRON IS STRONGER, its a FACT. Wake up people!

Whats this on the RS model having an iron block? Will it be the 4G63??
I tend to disagree. Ford boys blow motors all the time, just like anyone pushing any motor to its limits. The argument between the strength of aluminum to that of iron is really pointless. Aircraft are built out of aluminum and I don't exactly see too many dropping out of the sky because the "insane amount of power" coming from huge turbine engines distorted or warped the aluminum structure. The reason isn't the fact that in a 1/8" slab the iron has slightly higher strength than the aluminum slab, it is the shapes, gussets, supports that are created to make the aluminum structure actually stronger than a comparitive iron or steel one. AND, since aluminum is easier to machine and extrude, shops can make aluminum parts with the structural pieces a whole lot easier than they can with iron (and of course by iron block, it is meant cast iron). Therefore aluminum blocks can be made just as strong if not stronger than an iron block.

As an example, I have 2 friends with nearly similar srt-4s. One has a DTEC piggyback and puts down 381hp at the wheels with his "weak aluminum block", the other is running an AEM EMS and lays out 408whp/406wtq. remember that's with a weak aluminum block and a mere 2.4L compared to the 5L 302 motors. These guys aren't even close to the real power making srts out there either. There's also a guy on the srt forum making 789whp (street legal too!) and it's reliable as far as the block and heads are concerned.

On another note, what I find interesting is the fact that the Lancer currently has the 4B11 world motor and the evo x is supposedly going to be using it as well. It looks as if for the first time the Lancer will be able to hot swap parts directly from the evo without much effort! Which will make the Lancer tuner market a lot better than it is now.
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Old Jul 27, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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i might remind everyone that the number of posts shown under our names means absolutely nothing. evom did this a long time ago. I have around 1500 for instance yet it only shows 204.
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Old Jul 27, 2007 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Crash
As an example, I have 2 friends with nearly similar srt-4s. One has a DTEC piggyback and puts down 381hp at the wheels with his "weak aluminum block", the other is running an AEM EMS and lays out 408whp/406wtq. remember that's with a weak aluminum block and a mere 2.4L compared to the 5L 302 motors. These guys aren't even close to the real power making srts out there either. There's also a guy on the srt forum making 789whp (street legal too!) and it's reliable as far as the block and heads are concerned.
I'm one of the (few) people that doesn't seem to be crying over the new aluminum block, but it should be noted that the SRT-4 block is cast iron.
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Old Jul 27, 2007 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Crash
I tend to disagree. Ford boys blow motors all the time, just like anyone pushing any motor to its limits. The argument between the strength of aluminum to that of iron is really pointless. Aircraft are built out of aluminum and I don't exactly see too many dropping out of the sky because the "insane amount of power" coming from huge turbine engines distorted or warped the aluminum structure. The reason isn't the fact that in a 1/8" slab the iron has slightly higher strength than the aluminum slab, it is the shapes, gussets, supports that are created to make the aluminum structure actually stronger than a comparitive iron or steel one. AND, since aluminum is easier to machine and extrude, shops can make aluminum parts with the structural pieces a whole lot easier than they can with iron (and of course by iron block, it is meant cast iron). Therefore aluminum blocks can be made just as strong if not stronger than an iron block.

As an example, I have 2 friends with nearly similar srt-4s. One has a DTEC piggyback and puts down 381hp at the wheels with his "weak aluminum block", the other is running an AEM EMS and lays out 408whp/406wtq. remember that's with a weak aluminum block and a mere 2.4L compared to the 5L 302 motors. These guys aren't even close to the real power making srts out there either. There's also a guy on the srt forum making 789whp (street legal too!) and it's reliable as far as the block and heads are concerned.

On another note, what I find interesting is the fact that the Lancer currently has the 4B11 world motor and the evo x is supposedly going to be using it as well. It looks as if for the first time the Lancer will be able to hot swap parts directly from the evo without much effort! Which will make the Lancer tuner market a lot better than it is now.
I thought the Srt4 engines are made of cast iron (A853) There are plenty of games you can play to beef up the strength of an aluminum block. The point is, with cast iron you don't need to beef anything up. Just add plenty of boost and your ready to start whoopin ***. I'll miss those days

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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by readrs13
I do believe the iron block will be used for current platform shared models other than mitsu. Thats the point of sharing components, so it isn't just one trim level.

Say what happened to the dodge caliber srt-4, maybe that would get the iron block too.

Edit: never mind its got an aluminum 2.4l

my bad. i guess i was just going by this post and didn't look it up for myself. thanks for correcting the error though.
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Old Jul 30, 2007 | 08:30 AM
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Under the discussion of aluminum engines, should I bring up the old VEGA engines. All aluminum block with no iron sleeves, only aluminum and impregnated silica. The engines got a bad rap, but it was because of poorly engineered valves and not the bad *** aluminum blocks.
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Old Aug 1, 2007 | 08:30 PM
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sucks!!

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