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A word about the new trans:
Originally Posted by Automotive News
New Mitsubishi to get dual-clutch transmission, stability control
Dale Jewett
Automotive News | 9:29 am, July 10, 2007
The next generation of the high-performance Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution sedan will have a dual-clutch automated manual transmission and an all-wheel-drive chassis upgraded with stability control.
The new sedan, the tenth generation in the Evolution series, will go on sale this autumn, Mitsubishi Motors said today.
The new Lancer Evolution's form follows the Concept-X vehicle shown at the Tokyo auto show in 2005 and the Prototype-X that debuted at the Detroit auto show in January.
Quick shifts
The new car will be equipped with a six-speed transmission that Mitsubishi calls Twin Clutch SST. In the transmission, the odd-numbered gears are fixed to one input shaft, and the even-numbers gears are fixed to a second shaft. Electronics activate the clutches for gear shifts, either automatically or at the driver’s command.
The advantage of the dual-clutch transmission is the better fuel economy of a traditional manual transmission without the need for the driver to step on a clutch pedal.
The Mitsubishi transmission works similarly to other dual-clutch transmissions, such as the Direct Shift Gearbox transmission used by Volkswagen. BorgWarner supplies the VW unit. BWM is also using automated manual transmission technology, and Ford Motor is working on a similar technology.
The Mitsubishi transmission will be equipped with three shift modes -- normal, sport and s-sport. The sport and s-sport modes hold each gear longer for higher engine rpms, and also change gears faster.
Mitsubishi did not name the supplier of the transmission.
Sure-footed chassis
The all-wheel-drive system of the current Lancer Evolution uses anti-lock brakes, an active center differential and a yaw control for high performance. For the next generation, Mitsubishi will introduce stability control.
The stability control uses sensors in the steering wheel and the wheels to compare the driver’s intended path with the car’s actual path. If the car is headed for an understeer or oversteer condition, the system applies brake pressure at one or two wheels to correct the car’s path.
Mitsubishi will market the system as Super All Wheel Control.
Dale Jewett
Automotive News | 9:29 am, July 10, 2007
The next generation of the high-performance Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution sedan will have a dual-clutch automated manual transmission and an all-wheel-drive chassis upgraded with stability control.
The new sedan, the tenth generation in the Evolution series, will go on sale this autumn, Mitsubishi Motors said today.
The new Lancer Evolution's form follows the Concept-X vehicle shown at the Tokyo auto show in 2005 and the Prototype-X that debuted at the Detroit auto show in January.
Quick shifts
The new car will be equipped with a six-speed transmission that Mitsubishi calls Twin Clutch SST. In the transmission, the odd-numbered gears are fixed to one input shaft, and the even-numbers gears are fixed to a second shaft. Electronics activate the clutches for gear shifts, either automatically or at the driver’s command.
The advantage of the dual-clutch transmission is the better fuel economy of a traditional manual transmission without the need for the driver to step on a clutch pedal.
The Mitsubishi transmission works similarly to other dual-clutch transmissions, such as the Direct Shift Gearbox transmission used by Volkswagen. BorgWarner supplies the VW unit. BWM is also using automated manual transmission technology, and Ford Motor is working on a similar technology.
The Mitsubishi transmission will be equipped with three shift modes -- normal, sport and s-sport. The sport and s-sport modes hold each gear longer for higher engine rpms, and also change gears faster.
Mitsubishi did not name the supplier of the transmission.
Sure-footed chassis
The all-wheel-drive system of the current Lancer Evolution uses anti-lock brakes, an active center differential and a yaw control for high performance. For the next generation, Mitsubishi will introduce stability control.
The stability control uses sensors in the steering wheel and the wheels to compare the driver’s intended path with the car’s actual path. If the car is headed for an understeer or oversteer condition, the system applies brake pressure at one or two wheels to correct the car’s path.
Mitsubishi will market the system as Super All Wheel Control.
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i have a Evo Se weight in at 3195 lbs stocks when i got my new
i still have my radio and A/C, backs sits, full interior
just have alot of upgrade, like carbon fiber front sits, carbon Fiber this and that, and don't forget the Titanium
dude you can have it under 3000 lbs easy
you think i am joking well check this out in weight Reduction website
http://www.buschurracing.com/evo9-weight-reduction.htm
did you know that spare tire,jack and tools weight in at 37 lbs, and your battery weight in at 40 lbs
there i help you save 77lbs weight oready...
o one thing i didn't follow all the weight reduction list, but use your brain and spend some money
i know a guy who have a WRX weight in at 2840 lbs with radio, A/C and still have a full interior
get a 2nd job if you have too, just spend some money
i think the evo should be like that, look at the evo 4 and 5, they don't weight this much but the evo X weight in at 3500lbs, forget about the 300 hp cause it need the 20 hp to get it moving, o yet alot of air bags like u need it
dude talk about weight is your enemy or what is then ?
ok tell u an other thing then i want to make it over 400 whp on the stock turbo, upgrade to 2.2 liter, trying to keep the stock injector, no nos
i am sure i can have 9000 rpm, don't know about 10,000 rpm
but u guys know the 4G63, is not a piece of ****
think i am lieing, "there is more that meets the eye"
i don't think his GF will laugh cause his evo X just got smoke
700 lbs different, hey i leave it up to you guys to think it over
i still have my radio and A/C, backs sits, full interior
just have alot of upgrade, like carbon fiber front sits, carbon Fiber this and that, and don't forget the Titanium
dude you can have it under 3000 lbs easy
you think i am joking well check this out in weight Reduction website
http://www.buschurracing.com/evo9-weight-reduction.htm
did you know that spare tire,jack and tools weight in at 37 lbs, and your battery weight in at 40 lbs
there i help you save 77lbs weight oready...
o one thing i didn't follow all the weight reduction list, but use your brain and spend some money
i know a guy who have a WRX weight in at 2840 lbs with radio, A/C and still have a full interior
get a 2nd job if you have too, just spend some money
i think the evo should be like that, look at the evo 4 and 5, they don't weight this much but the evo X weight in at 3500lbs, forget about the 300 hp cause it need the 20 hp to get it moving, o yet alot of air bags like u need it
dude talk about weight is your enemy or what is then ?
ok tell u an other thing then i want to make it over 400 whp on the stock turbo, upgrade to 2.2 liter, trying to keep the stock injector, no nos
i am sure i can have 9000 rpm, don't know about 10,000 rpm
but u guys know the 4G63, is not a piece of ****
think i am lieing, "there is more that meets the eye"
i don't think his GF will laugh cause his evo X just got smoke
700 lbs different, hey i leave it up to you guys to think it over
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i have a Evo Se weight in at 3195 lbs stocks when i got my new
i still have my radio and A/C, backs sits, full interior
just have alot of upgrade, like carbon fiber front sits, carbon Fiber this and that, and don't forget the Titanium
dude you can have it under 3000 lbs easy
you think i am joking well check this out in weight Reduction website
http://www.buschurracing.com/evo9-weight-reduction.htm
did you know that spare tire,jack and tools weight in at 37 lbs, and your battery weight in at 40 lbs
there i help you save 77lbs weight oready...
o one thing i didn't follow all the weight reduction list, but use your brain and spend some money
i know a guy who have a WRX weight in at 2840 lbs with radio, A/C and still have a full interior
get a 2nd job if you have too, just spend some money
i think the evo should be like that, look at the evo 4 and 5, they don't weight this much but the evo X weight in at 3500lbs, forget about the 300 hp cause it need the 20 hp to get it moving, o yet alot of air bags like u need it
dude talk about weight is your enemy or what is then ?
ok tell u an other thing then i want to make it over 400 whp on the stock turbo, upgrade to 2.2 liter, trying to keep the stock injector, no nos
i am sure i can have 9000 rpm, don't know about 10,000 rpm
but u guys know the 4G63, is not a piece of ****
think i am lieing, "there is more that meets the eye"
i don't think his GF will laugh cause his evo X just got smoke
700 lbs different, hey i leave it up to you guys to think it over
i still have my radio and A/C, backs sits, full interior
just have alot of upgrade, like carbon fiber front sits, carbon Fiber this and that, and don't forget the Titanium
dude you can have it under 3000 lbs easy
you think i am joking well check this out in weight Reduction website
http://www.buschurracing.com/evo9-weight-reduction.htm
did you know that spare tire,jack and tools weight in at 37 lbs, and your battery weight in at 40 lbs
there i help you save 77lbs weight oready...
o one thing i didn't follow all the weight reduction list, but use your brain and spend some money
i know a guy who have a WRX weight in at 2840 lbs with radio, A/C and still have a full interior
get a 2nd job if you have too, just spend some money
i think the evo should be like that, look at the evo 4 and 5, they don't weight this much but the evo X weight in at 3500lbs, forget about the 300 hp cause it need the 20 hp to get it moving, o yet alot of air bags like u need it
dude talk about weight is your enemy or what is then ?
ok tell u an other thing then i want to make it over 400 whp on the stock turbo, upgrade to 2.2 liter, trying to keep the stock injector, no nos
i am sure i can have 9000 rpm, don't know about 10,000 rpm
but u guys know the 4G63, is not a piece of ****
think i am lieing, "there is more that meets the eye"
i don't think his GF will laugh cause his evo X just got smoke
700 lbs different, hey i leave it up to you guys to think it over
IS that all you can think about? What happens when you come to a stoplight and race? Only people who have small dicks really care about being faster at everyone at a stoplight and racing them. Just because you beat them with your car does that mean your better? Boosts your ego doesn't it? People try to race me all the time in my m3, I just give them the L on the forehead, they all have small dicks and big egos, just like you buddy.
OH yeah, and everyone needs airbags, especially a 4 door sedan, this isn't some track prepped race car were talking about.
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all u guys want, all i am trying to say is the weight makes a different...look's like u guys had it in a wrong way, i had my car for daily drive, and if u want to race, it will be on the track...
that M3 cost too much...
wast my time to race him if he wants too
on the compares between evo 9 and the evo X
well one thing is clear is that the evo X is a brand new car period
hey even if is 300 lbs and the same HP level, it still a big different am i right ???
by the way what kinda of battery you are running that weight 20 lbs ???
that's too heavy dude
i don't know why some of u guys get upset on the theads, o well can please all of u...
Last edited by Hlevo; Jul 11, 2007 at 01:38 AM.
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all u guys want, all i am trying to say is the weight makes a different...look's like u guys had it in a wrong way, i had my car for daily drive, and if u want to race, it will be on the track...
that M3 cost too much...
wast my time to race him if he wants too
on the compares between evo 9 and the evo X
well one thing is clear is that the evo X is a brand new car period
hey even if is 300 lbs and the same HP level, it still a big different am i right ???
by the way what kinda of battery you are running that weight 20 lbs ???
that's too heavy dude
i don't know why some of u guys get upset on the theads, o well can please all of u...
ok yes i understand that weight makes a big difference, I totally agree, and i also agree that mitsu will have to have alot more hp to be faster. However we don't know the capabilities of mitsu's new transmission sst, it might be much more efficient than the previous.
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i have a Evo Se weight in at 3195 lbs stocks when i got my new
i still have my radio and A/C, backs sits, full interior
just have alot of upgrade, like carbon fiber front sits, carbon Fiber this and that, and don't forget the Titanium
dude you can have it under 3000 lbs easy
you think i am joking well check this out in weight Reduction website
http://www.buschurracing.com/evo9-weight-reduction.htm
did you know that spare tire,jack and tools weight in at 37 lbs, and your battery weight in at 40 lbs
there i help you save 77lbs weight oready...
o one thing i didn't follow all the weight reduction list, but use your brain and spend some money
i know a guy who have a WRX weight in at 2840 lbs with radio, A/C and still have a full interior
get a 2nd job if you have too, just spend some money
i think the evo should be like that, look at the evo 4 and 5, they don't weight this much but the evo X weight in at 3500lbs, forget about the 300 hp cause it need the 20 hp to get it moving, o yet alot of air bags like u need it
dude talk about weight is your enemy or what is then ?
ok tell u an other thing then i want to make it over 400 whp on the stock turbo, upgrade to 2.2 liter, trying to keep the stock injector, no nos
i am sure i can have 9000 rpm, don't know about 10,000 rpm
but u guys know the 4G63, is not a piece of ****
think i am lieing, "there is more that meets the eye"
i don't think his GF will laugh cause his evo X just got smoke
700 lbs different, hey i leave it up to you guys to think it over
i still have my radio and A/C, backs sits, full interior
just have alot of upgrade, like carbon fiber front sits, carbon Fiber this and that, and don't forget the Titanium
dude you can have it under 3000 lbs easy
you think i am joking well check this out in weight Reduction website
http://www.buschurracing.com/evo9-weight-reduction.htm
did you know that spare tire,jack and tools weight in at 37 lbs, and your battery weight in at 40 lbs
there i help you save 77lbs weight oready...
o one thing i didn't follow all the weight reduction list, but use your brain and spend some money
i know a guy who have a WRX weight in at 2840 lbs with radio, A/C and still have a full interior
get a 2nd job if you have too, just spend some money
i think the evo should be like that, look at the evo 4 and 5, they don't weight this much but the evo X weight in at 3500lbs, forget about the 300 hp cause it need the 20 hp to get it moving, o yet alot of air bags like u need it
dude talk about weight is your enemy or what is then ?
ok tell u an other thing then i want to make it over 400 whp on the stock turbo, upgrade to 2.2 liter, trying to keep the stock injector, no nos
i am sure i can have 9000 rpm, don't know about 10,000 rpm
but u guys know the 4G63, is not a piece of ****
think i am lieing, "there is more that meets the eye"
i don't think his GF will laugh cause his evo X just got smoke
700 lbs different, hey i leave it up to you guys to think it over
The idea of stroking the engine to 2.2 sounds great, but will be expensive. I have no idea why you would want to keep the stock injectors. If you think you can get 400 hp on those you're begging for detonation - time for a new motor. Cha-ching.
You'll certainly need larger injectors and a higher gallon per minute fuel pump and larger fuel rail...and all the re-mapping to go along with it. This will likely take tuning on a dynamometer. You are talking serious money here.
And for those that think the new Evo X looks too much like the base Lancer, while I agree, remember that this IS A LANCER. It says this in the name: LANCER EVOLUTION. The WRX/STi appears largely similar to the base Impreza and the MazdaSpeed 3 appears very similar to the Mazda 3 and the Cobalt SS looks a lot like the base Cobalt (ugly), etc. I can easily distinguish between all these base and souped up models, but they are after all designed and based on the regular platforms. So this shouldn't be such a significant deterrence to potential Evo X buyers. The price may be the ultimate deterrence.
Actually, David Buschur's recent fuel system testing has shown that the stock fuel rail is good for about 700whp as long as you have a proper fuel pump upgrade to support it...
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Make it run like a MAD WOLVORINE on crack and METH!!!
Rocks!Or you could get yourself an appointment with someone who's done all this before with an EVO like BR or AMS (I think someone is kinda hint'in that already).
And get it done in one shot, stages or any combination there of...I suspect pretty reliably. Just a thought.
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BTW....I think I know how he got it so lite. Filled the tires with helium instead of nitrogen...or was that ???
Lite = Fast & bonus:: good handling, if decent suspension
( I think that is part of the EVO equation!!! )
Energy = Velocity + Omg!!! =)
Lite = Fast & bonus:: good handling, if decent suspension
( I think that is part of the EVO equation!!! )
Energy = Velocity + Omg!!! =)
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Rocks!Or you could get yourself an appointment with someone who's done all this before with an EVO like BR or AMS (I think someone is kinda hint'in that already).
And get it done in one shot, stages or any combination there of...I suspect pretty reliably. Just a thought.
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finally, some of you guys understand what i am talking about...
i like the idea of the Super all wheel drive systems but still the weight bugs me on the New EVO X
example the New evo X weight as much as a skyline GTR which is around 3500 lbs right ? well maybe not the 2008 GTR but still we'll talking about hp and weight
can't even compare to it, i know the price is a big different here
i don't see the NEW WRX STI or even the NEW WRX get heavyer
again Mitsubishi is making a big gamble here
i like the idea of the Super all wheel drive systems but still the weight bugs me on the New EVO X
example the New evo X weight as much as a skyline GTR which is around 3500 lbs right ? well maybe not the 2008 GTR but still we'll talking about hp and weight
can't even compare to it, i know the price is a big different here
i don't see the NEW WRX STI or even the NEW WRX get heavyer
again Mitsubishi is making a big gamble here
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The Nissan GTR is anticipated to have a MSPR of over $80,000, so you're right about the massive price difference. But why bring up this comparison at all? I suggest we depart from discussing the power-to-weight ratio of $80,000+ cars to that of the Evo in this forum (eh-hum, like the Z06 or Z51, Porsche’s GT3, Audi's new R8 or RS4, Lotus Exige S, M5, and the Viper...this is an entirely different stratosphere of vehicles).
I think that those who are criticizing the Evo X for gaining weight need to calm down and remember how much the IX weighs and how much of a difference this is in terms of a percent. For example, here are the Evo IX models' weight and power-to-weight ratios:
RS: 3,219 lbs; 11.26 lbs per hp
IX and SE: 3,263 lbs; 11.41 lbs per hp
MR: 3,285 lbs; 11.49 lbs per hp
And IF, BIG IF, the Evo X weighs 3,450 lbs. and has 295 hp, it would have 11.69 lbs. for every single hp to carry and shove around. What does this mean? 0.20 lbs. per hp more for the Evo X versus the current MR. That's about 3.2 OUNCES! What is that? The weight of an Ipod or cell phone? Big deal.
Another way to look at this is the weight increase in percent. Using the same figures/assumptions as above, the X will increase in weight by about 5% while hp would rise by 3.1%. Net effect? Consider how much slower a person could run the 40 yard dash if they suddenly gained 1.9% body fat. If the runner ordinarily weighed 175 lbs. and gained 1.9% fat (roughly 3.3 lbs.), they would likely be slower, but BARELY. Hardly measurable at all.
Whoa. I'm getting into this comparo analysis a little too much. Where's my Ritalin.
The dual MIVEC cam profile and redesigned turbo/intercooler and engine will provide more power sooner and more consistently across the power curve (a flatter curve, which is good).
The X may ultimately be a hair slower than the IX (to be determined), but the X's improvements to safety, chassis rigidity, classier interior, improved motor, S-AWC, etc., etc., etc., will cause people to scratch their heads long and hard about which is actually the best car for them. To each his own.
Oh, and, uh, just for fun:
WRX: 3,192 lbs; 14.25 lbs per hp
STi: 3,351 lbs; 11.44 lbs per hp
Porsche GT3: 3,075 lbs; 7.41 lbs per hp
Ferrari F430: 3,197 lbs; 6.52 lbs per hp
Saleen S7: 2,750 lbs; 3.67 lbs per hp
I think that those who are criticizing the Evo X for gaining weight need to calm down and remember how much the IX weighs and how much of a difference this is in terms of a percent. For example, here are the Evo IX models' weight and power-to-weight ratios:
RS: 3,219 lbs; 11.26 lbs per hp
IX and SE: 3,263 lbs; 11.41 lbs per hp
MR: 3,285 lbs; 11.49 lbs per hp
And IF, BIG IF, the Evo X weighs 3,450 lbs. and has 295 hp, it would have 11.69 lbs. for every single hp to carry and shove around. What does this mean? 0.20 lbs. per hp more for the Evo X versus the current MR. That's about 3.2 OUNCES! What is that? The weight of an Ipod or cell phone? Big deal.
Another way to look at this is the weight increase in percent. Using the same figures/assumptions as above, the X will increase in weight by about 5% while hp would rise by 3.1%. Net effect? Consider how much slower a person could run the 40 yard dash if they suddenly gained 1.9% body fat. If the runner ordinarily weighed 175 lbs. and gained 1.9% fat (roughly 3.3 lbs.), they would likely be slower, but BARELY. Hardly measurable at all.
Whoa. I'm getting into this comparo analysis a little too much. Where's my Ritalin.
The dual MIVEC cam profile and redesigned turbo/intercooler and engine will provide more power sooner and more consistently across the power curve (a flatter curve, which is good).
The X may ultimately be a hair slower than the IX (to be determined), but the X's improvements to safety, chassis rigidity, classier interior, improved motor, S-AWC, etc., etc., etc., will cause people to scratch their heads long and hard about which is actually the best car for them. To each his own.
Oh, and, uh, just for fun:
WRX: 3,192 lbs; 14.25 lbs per hp
STi: 3,351 lbs; 11.44 lbs per hp
Porsche GT3: 3,075 lbs; 7.41 lbs per hp
Ferrari F430: 3,197 lbs; 6.52 lbs per hp
Saleen S7: 2,750 lbs; 3.67 lbs per hp
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3195 lbs on the SE
there is a different between the IX and the SE on weight
not much but different
the EVO X will have a better handling cause of the S-AWC drive
but still weight is the enemy here cause who hasn't upgrade or tune there own evo IX ? and keep it stock for the rest of the car life, i think only 1%
but most of the car handling and performance will show it max at the track
so isn't the weight is the enemy here at the end ? at the track every pound counts
even in street, i am not saying you want to race that dude on the M3
but i guess it doesn't matter if you daily drive it
there is a different between the IX and the SE on weight
not much but different
the EVO X will have a better handling cause of the S-AWC drive
but still weight is the enemy here cause who hasn't upgrade or tune there own evo IX ? and keep it stock for the rest of the car life, i think only 1%
but most of the car handling and performance will show it max at the track
so isn't the weight is the enemy here at the end ? at the track every pound counts
even in street, i am not saying you want to race that dude on the M3
but i guess it doesn't matter if you daily drive it