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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:22 AM
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new pics

i'm posting them in this topic because these pictures do show production ready evo x

if mods want to move them fine by me.....

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/07/03/s...x-and-wrx-sti/










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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:26 AM
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This grey one looks really good! Definitely my first choice in color. I notice the Brembos are black in these pics. Wonder if that'll be an option on the production car.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:46 AM
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That car is begging for bigger wheels/tires.

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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:52 AM
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I'm not liking the first set of wheels at all. The second set as seen in the above pics are badass! They're BBS wheels that cost like 800 a pop!
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 10:56 AM
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Wow, great finds.. Few things I've noticed:

1. Center grill section is darker than in the Production Pics. Not sure if I like it so dark since I'll be getting Black. I was happy with the silver color. But I could always get it painted.

2. NO CHROME!!!! The chrome ring around the center grill section and under the windows is black! Sah-weet. Saves me some trouble of painting it myself.

3. The first real-world set of pics (Is that car black, or a gunmetal color?) has silver Brembos. The second set with the grey has black Brembos. Odd.

4. The grey car has those rims that were on the Prototype X. [SPECULATION] Maybe the grey one is an MR? [/SPECULATION]

Originally Posted by Ludikraut
That car is begging for bigger wheels/tires.
Those are 18" rims! The new body is tall so it really needs the 18s to balance it out. I don't mind all that much, but I don't think 19s will leave enough sidewall. Personally, I'm thinking of finding some 18x10s and warpping them with 275s.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 11:00 AM
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It definitely has grown on me!! Not sure about the engine yet though! Need more time and for it to prove itself.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 11:03 AM
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Mitsu is either gonna sell a ton after one test drive (if they started allowing them yet) or they're not gonna sell any! Risky move by Mitsu. In all honesty though, I think Mitsu wants to raise the age of the average evo owner. The VIII was supposedly targeted at mid 30's guys. That didn't work that way too well.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mitsu_lover625
Ditto.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 11:36 AM
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Not a big fan of the gray.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 11:56 AM
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ANother observation: Look at the antenna that's on the rear decklid. Looks like they had to duct-tape it down. If it's a magnetic antenna, then that could mean the trunk lid is aluminum!
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 04:46 PM
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^Good eye you are correct!

The car looks like it flows better without the spoiler, the color of which doesn't even match the car. Hmm, I bet a lot of us will go wingless.
Also it needs wider wheels and tires to fill the wide fenders, it looks a bit weak as it is.

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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FLK
^Good eye you are correct!

The car looks like it flows better without the spoiler, the color of which doesn't even match the car. Hmm, I bet a lot of us will go wingless.
Also it needs wider wheels and tires to fill the wide fenders, it looks a bit weak as it is.
I've always liked rear spoilers. And I like the one on the Evo, specially the fact that the inner surface is a different color than the outer, body-color, surface. I only regret that it won't be as visible on a Black car. If I was just going to look at my car, I'd get it in silver, but since I'l be 'wearing' it, it has to be black.

As for the tires, I think every car should have wide tires that are flush with the sides of the car.
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Old Jul 3, 2007 | 07:39 PM
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On second thought, when looking at the graphite grey X there on the Ring, the rear fenders look too bulbous to me. Another thing that bothers me is the part (not sure of the correct term) that separates the side front window and the side rear windows. It's black and looks like unpainted plastic. Anyways, this part and the areas surrounding the side windows doesn't look right. Something is missing. I don't know. The more and more I look at the sedan, the more I see and wonder if this damn thing was haphazardly thrown together. I'm gonna hold off until the Sportback Evo starts showing itself. Most of all, I'm glad that I didn't hold off on getting an Evo. I couldn't be happier with my IX RS. It really is the first car that I want to keep for a long, long time. No regrets at all.
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 01:10 AM
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ok guys when you running an evo X weight with 330 hp with 3350 to 3500 weight
guess what
i am running my evo 9 the same 330 hp but with 2800 weight

so what do u think about the 1/4 miles
yes the S-AWD is awsome but again the weight is your enemy here
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Old Jul 4, 2007 | 01:19 AM
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hey you forgot the EVO IX SE weight at 3,195 lbs

Originally Posted by machron1
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They probably inferred this based on some common leading indicators...Let's see if we can come to the same conclusion based on what we already know.
Now, what do we know?

Weight

General consensus is that it will be heavier by ~200 lbs or so (which I personally find difficult to believe, but that's what's generally said so we'll leave that be).
Since current Evo IX weighs in at:
  • 3,219 lbs (EVO IX RS)
  • 3,263 lbs (EV0 IX)
  • 3,285 lbs (EVO IX MR)
Then we should Expect the Evo X to weigh approximately:
  • 3,419 lbs (EVO X RS) (+6.2%)
  • 3,463 lbs (EVO X) (+6.1%)
  • 3,485 lbs (EVO X MR) (+6.0%)
So, on average, it will probably have a 6.1% increase in weight. OK, sounds reasonable. What else do we know?

Power

Peak horsepower

Nobody knows for sure, but I've not seen many (if any) figures that weren't somewhere between 300 and 320hp. The current Evo IX is rated at 286hp. So that's an increase of between 4.9% and 11.9% peak horsepower. So, let's say it will be at least an even 5% more powerful, which leaves us with a 1.1% power-to-weight deficit it would seem.

Peak torque

Since this topic is rarely discussed (or possibly rarely read by me), we can just assume torque increases at the same rate as horsepower, and for what it's worth, probably a slightly higher number than the peak horsepower since that's how the current Evo is.

Power under-the-curve

A couple things not really brought up much are exactly how much the additional MIVEC cam and direct injection will help make more power under-the-curve, as did the addition of a single MIVEC cam on the IX. Count on more power down low, less turbo lag, and possibly nearly doubling the increases seen on the Evo IX. For example, if MIVEC puts a certain amount of extra power under the curve in the IX, I would guess at least 80% of that amount again will be present in the 4B11 with dual MIVEC and direct injection. And since the IXs are such beasts compared to the VIII's, I'd imagine it will be significant enough as not to be excluded from the power-to-weight and acceleration equation of the Evo X. Maybe good for another 0.1 to 0.2 seconds off a 1/4 mile time?

Drivetrain

The estimate was almost certainly taking into consideration the new Mitsubishi Sequential Shift Transmission (SST), which should shave at least 0.1 seconds per shift, and on a 1/4 mile blast, shifting 4 or 5 times, that shaves nearly half a second off the 1/4 mile time. That is fairly significant...

1/4 mile time

So, the magazine in question tested the Evo IX to run 13.5 in a quarter mile. We all know they can do better than that stock, but that's the number this magazine is probably basing their estimates on. So, let's see how fast it will probably be based on what we know:

We can even the playing field by using a 1/4 mile calculator (http://www.jcalculator.com/?c=1_4_mile_calculator). So, assuming the average driver weighs 175 lbs, the actual curb weight of the average Evo IX and the average Evo X would be 3438 lbs, and 3638 lbs, respectively. According to JCalculator, that would be good for 1/4 mile times of 13.34 and 13.38, respectively. So, it would appear the 1/4 mile time calculated only from peak power-to-weight ratio would be nearly identical, even with the additional weight. Shave off 0.4 to 0.5 seconds for the SST gearbox, maybe 0.2 seconds from some extra power under the curve, and you are looking at a theoretical 1/4 mile between 12.98 and 13.08. Not too shabby. However, if you factor in the fudge of this magazine running the test, adding about 0.2 to the time, we might expect the X to actually run between 13.18 and 13.28 in their test, which is very much slower than their 12.5 estimates. But...maybe they learned that an actual IX is capable of hitting 12.9 stock even though they only tested it to run 13.5. If you factor that in, the difference between the JCalculator 1/4 mile estimate and the actual Evo IX fastest stock time is 0.44 seconds faster. If you take that into account for the X, a more true estimate for the X is probably somewhere between 12.54 and 12.64...which is somewhere around the Road and Track estimate. Maybe they actually did mean to say what an Evo X is capable of rather than what they are going to run, since they may know they are slow...so, yeah I think a 12.5 1/4 mile with only 300 horsepower, even with the additional 200 lbs, is not outside the realm of possibility.

Mods

I would guess based on how easy it is to make substantial gains with the IX, it will be even easier (once the ECU is cracked) to make even more substantial initial gains with the X given the same types of mods (exhaust, boost controller, reflash, meth, etc.). It is well known you can extract 330 whp from a few bolt-ons on the IX without much difficulty because of the MIVEC and larger turbo. Since the X will have even more MIVEC to play with, plus direct injection, I would hazard a guess that 360 whp would be fairly easily attainable with a similar approach. However, I expect the limitations of the aluminum closed-deck block to come into play after that, making huge horsepower gains on a stock bottom end more difficult than a VIII or IX. For me, that's fine. I'm not on a quest for that much power. But for the hardcore, maybe they should stick to the old 4G63.
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