Death of the EVO!!!
Here is my issue with this statement.
All the cars you mentioned above are race cars where they spend majority of their time in full throttle.
It is vital for all these cars to minimize spending time shifting allowing them to cut that 100th of sec per lap/stage.
Majority of the road driven cars spend very little time in full throttle.
What's desirable in race condition is not necessarily desirable in public roads.
Many of the Manu-matic, SMG, etc. have several safety parameters to prevent damage to the tranny.
For example, most do not allow the driver to hold on to the gear even if that is what the driver desires at the moment.
All of the race cars that were mentioned gives the driver 100% control over their gear selection.
Currently only system that comes closest to that is Ferrari.
I had an opportunity to drive several different cars equipped with these type of gearbox.
Personally, I wouldn't trade manual trans with any of the semi auto trans.
All the cars you mentioned above are race cars where they spend majority of their time in full throttle.
It is vital for all these cars to minimize spending time shifting allowing them to cut that 100th of sec per lap/stage.
Majority of the road driven cars spend very little time in full throttle.
What's desirable in race condition is not necessarily desirable in public roads.
Many of the Manu-matic, SMG, etc. have several safety parameters to prevent damage to the tranny.
For example, most do not allow the driver to hold on to the gear even if that is what the driver desires at the moment.
All of the race cars that were mentioned gives the driver 100% control over their gear selection.
Currently only system that comes closest to that is Ferrari.
I had an opportunity to drive several different cars equipped with these type of gearbox.
Personally, I wouldn't trade manual trans with any of the semi auto trans.
also you guys now the WRC cars limited to 300 hp and 500 NM? right?
/when last time i cheked/
Thank you Jeff, you said exactly what I mean. To 4 wheel slide, I need to clarify myself some more. Yes I am aware that the M3 is not much more value wise ($15-20k is still a considerable amount though), but believe me BMW is made MUCH MUCH better than ANY mitsubishi therefore I guarantee that their SMG transmission would be much better than anything Mitsubishi has to offer. The point I am trying to make is it makes no sense whatsoever to compare this 35k Mitsubishi to highly sophisticated BMW's and Lambo's and so on. They will be made much better and probably have features that mitsubishi would never include. I mean look how good an Evo is already, look at the corners they had to cut just to make the performance this good already. Do you think that they are going to drop a $10000 DSG transmission like an M3 or Lambo in it for 35k, I doubt it unless they hiked the price up what would probably put it out of the average age that buys this car. We will get a decent DSG that will work good and I am sure it will perform but I doubt it will be up to the standards that the M3 or any of the other high end cars mentioned in this thread. So like Jeff said above, there is no point to speculate until the car has been released and comparing it to other high class and even exotics is just embarassing. But everybody is entitled to their opinion and thats just mine.
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NOW:
1. It ain't so!
2. What is up with all the melodrama, I mean really suicide?
3. As for speculation; there is no need to Mitsubishi has already given us the facts.
Automated Manual Transmission
Prototype X is equipped with the automated manual transmission with magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters that will be available on the next Lancer Evolution. This new transmission will offer lighting fast, paddle-shift actuated shifting when desired, along with offering a fully automatic mode. This unit is not a conventional torque-converter automatic transmission, but rather a true auto-capable manual similar to that used on some of the world's most notable performance models. For stick shift purists, the next Lancer Evolution will still offer a conventional 5-speed manual transmission. With the 4B11 turbo engine's stronger torque performance, a 5-speed will provide optimal acceleration response.
Prototype X is equipped with the automated manual transmission with magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters that will be available on the next Lancer Evolution. This new transmission will offer lighting fast, paddle-shift actuated shifting when desired, along with offering a fully automatic mode. This unit is not a conventional torque-converter automatic transmission, but rather a true auto-capable manual similar to that used on some of the world's most notable performance models. For stick shift purists, the next Lancer Evolution will still offer a conventional 5-speed manual transmission. With the 4B11 turbo engine's stronger torque performance, a 5-speed will provide optimal acceleration response.
http://media.mitsubishicars.com/deta...43559&mime=ASC
They will be made much better and probably have features that mitsubishi would never include.
I mean look how good an Evo is already, look at the corners they had to cut just to make the performance this good already.
In the grand scheme of life it is not about who gets there first, but about how you get there. I like the feel of manual transmission, i'm not an F1 driver. If I get down to the mall 1.23847 seconds slower because I have a manual as opposed to a fancy smg or dsg then that is fine by me
and again, why is everyone getting worked up? It seems like everyone who "knows someone high up in Mitsu" is probably just some kid who talked to someone with a suit at a dealership. Detroit said 5spd manual and paddle shifter option. What more do you need to know?
and again, why is everyone getting worked up? It seems like everyone who "knows someone high up in Mitsu" is probably just some kid who talked to someone with a suit at a dealership. Detroit said 5spd manual and paddle shifter option. What more do you need to know?
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Thank you Jeff, you said exactly what I mean. To 4 wheel slide, I need to clarify myself some more. Yes I am aware that the M3 is not much more value wise ($15-20k is still a considerable amount though), but believe me BMW is made MUCH MUCH better than ANY mitsubishi therefore I guarantee that their SMG transmission would be much better than anything Mitsubishi has to offer. The point I am trying to make is it makes no sense whatsoever to compare this 35k Mitsubishi to highly sophisticated BMW's and Lambo's and so on. They will be made much better and probably have features that mitsubishi would never include. I mean look how good an Evo is already, look at the corners they had to cut just to make the performance this good already. Do you think that they are going to drop a $10000 DSG transmission like an M3 or Lambo in it for 35k, I doubt it unless they hiked the price up what would probably put it out of the average age that buys this car. We will get a decent DSG that will work good and I am sure it will perform but I doubt it will be up to the standards that the M3 or any of the other high end cars mentioned in this thread. So like Jeff said above, there is no point to speculate until the car has been released and comparing it to other high class and even exotics is just embarassing. But everybody is entitled to their opinion and thats just mine.
So according to you VW is crazy for puting a 10000. DSG in to a 20000. GTI. Remember the dsg is vwag's baby (volkswagen auto group[vw, audi, lambo, skoda, seat, bentley and bugatti). The VW DSG is so good that other companies have license the technology, including BMW (smg I and II are complete failures)and Magnet-marelli. I don't see why (and noone knows because mitsu isn't talking) they could not have licensed said tchnology.
As for the build quality, well that's to be determined. I will say this, my stock EVO has seen way less time at the dealer than our 2002 X5, 2004 volvo v70R and 2006 X3 have.
Yes people like to argue. I am not on any BMW or Lambo bandwagon, I realize they have better made cars, not saying the EVO isnt great, I wouldnt be here if I didnt think it was. But it irritates me when people compare it to much better built cars and much more expensive cars and actually believe it. Evo's are reliable and sophisticated but nowhere near the level of BMW, Lambo, Ferrari or any of the other above mentioned cars, sorry hate to bust your bubble. As far increasing weight and cost, yea thats good in all but what happens when you get 400hp or more and a 3500+ pound car possibly and cocky uneducated drivers, broken drivetrain, oh we havent had any problems with that now have we?? As far as cost. mitsubishi isnt going to raise it that much, Evo's are marketed towards a certain agegroup, they arent going to raise them to 45k or more I doubt. Most 20-35yr old people will have a hard time affording that on the majority, I mean look at how many people say they can barely afford the current Evo, they sure aint going to jump for a 40-45K Evo. Myself, I expect the 9 to be better possibly but I dont want to speculate. I dont see how Mitsubishi will be able to make the Evo much better for its price unless they raise it substantially, but time will tell I guess.
Last edited by dbsears; Jan 17, 2007 at 09:25 AM.
even if this story is true, paddle shifting would mean faster shifting, thus, better times, thus, wait i know where im going with this, FASTER!??! although sequential shifting isnt the same, i could settle losing the sporty shifting feel to get some bigger faster numbers, call me crazy. But ive also heard the other side, that they will offer the manual, so all evo owners rest assured, whatever the outcome, you will be able to keep that smile on your face. 