hum, no... Mitsu will make it easier, all you'll have to do is replace batteries and increase the amps!

jk I have no idea yet...

 

i dont think so either

 

"...the market has spoken."
I'm sorry i dont know what are you referring here, since every evo sold on the market what they ever made, / not since this great depression is on us poor X / also the EVo's every new generation continuously proceed better.



"Sorry, you've never seen new Xs (after rebates/discounts) selling for almost the same as prime IXs? I know how much time you spend here and I find it hard to believe."

nope i never seen in NJ , same price or even cheaper new X as a IX. But i saw IX and i know VIII going under 20K. Not one. There is one advertising price and there is another a selling price...


"Evos are selling; Xs are not. "
Sorry i have to say that , it is simply not true. In EU you even have to wait for them to arrive... In US they selling too , but sure it was dumped on the market with big numbers a wrong time. When almost all the bank going to bankrupt etc.

"You're agreeing with me. The change to MIVEC was borne-out and the market responded accordingly. Similarly, the market responded negatively to the next generation"

Not negatively just the market always have a lag. Which is very natural and understandable. So the race and tuner guys, Takes time to develop stuff.

"I edited my original comment, as I misunderstood yours. Sorry about that."
dont be sorry , i like different opinion , i can learn a lot from them . Also makes me think out off the box. So i like them.

 

just want to check, are you saying the 10 has no credibility?

question - when honda, toyota, et al had reductions of 26% or greater at times in sales volume this past year, are you sure 10's aren't selling because the car is no good, or because the economic mood is no good?

 

Originally Posted by Robevo RS
" Feedback on the reptilian level and street cred sells Evos. The current Evo has neither and at this rate it won't anytime soon."
oh boy...
I don't think you understand. Drop the jargon into Google."

that is very possible happening here. I try to look it up.

Thanks for the heads up

Rob

 

How about we just say **** the Batteries, Take them out and run it RWD LOL,

 

You Evo 8/9 fanboys are really annoying with this " the last true evo" shat, The evo 9 didn't really achieve anything big in its life other than being stupidly fast when modded. Some people will argue the the 6 is the last, Some will say the 3 is and others will say the 10 is the best( myself included), nest time try being more open minded and post something constructive.

 

Coming from a IX to a X, I couldn't agree with you more. It is getting a bit annoying.

 

I try to be clear when I write. You even quoted my comments verbatim. Please see what I said.

Hence, the issue of market elasticity. It isn't something to debate.

 

+1. I think there is a lot of room for performance with an electric motor combined with a gas engine. Electric motors are insane on torque curves.

I'm all for technology change as long as the performance is there and the handling is there (max weight is 3500lbs though). (Also needs to perform on the track all day... not 20 minutes. I'm sure is well aware of this).

 

the best is about this, how you possibly make a real conclusion if you dont even have it Or if you own only one model. So that is true for evo X guys who never had an evo before... Because you read it or he said or she said it?


to make a good comparison at least you have to drove each model for a longer time.
Not like you were sitting next to your buddy or you drove it 3 days. I dont even mention the performance side , if you dont even race them... and be honest the most guys against evo ten cant really show up any proof for driving a longer time each model or race them. But sure they opinion is like a diamond Hard and very precious.
I'm not try to talk them down but they sometimes do that against the X so we need to defend it. Obviously less and less, as a time goes by and the IX guys start to going to the X... Or they see the X capabilities they own eyes.

So there is soo many factors about this subject .

Leave the IX and X debate behind it is old and beat to death. The X proves itself with reliability and track times, times and times again. If you dont wanna see that, that is fine with me, but at least leave that out of this matter.


So back to topic, i think we shouldn't worry too much untill we will actually see what we will face later.
Besides if the Ford finally will release the Fiesta or Focus AWD /eu version/ here, then wont be matter for me anyway

TRhen my wife will get the Xi. I'll go with Ford

 

clarity was an issue as i thought you were employing hyperbole to draw attention to a point. the issue, now, is credibility.

you want to discuss elasticity, which is fine. perhaps you should draw on sales data upon the release of the evo 4 and 7 to see how first year offerings did. then correct for economic conditions, though it's going to be tough considering the US didn't have either of those cars, and that our current economic conditions have some pretty serious differences from those of the 90's. those two combined will make your conclusions seem like an apples to trucks comparison. once that's done, then you can draw conclusions about elasticity.

point being, unless you have earned your phd in economics, have sales data, and serious regression analysis to back it up, your claim that the evo's market elasticity "isn't something to debate" is more poorly employed hyperbole.

don't be mad about the 10. regardless of the sales volume, it's more capable than our 9s in many situations, less so in some, but less entertaining to me. for people that have to deal with the economics of paying their own bills, that ultimately is what matters.

 

Actually, I don't want to discuss it; you do. I replied to Rob in detail, because I like and respect him. I ignored your original comment that seemingly hoped for a reaction, and only posted when you tried putting words in my mouth. Seeing how you tried referencing an appliance manufacturer like Toyota with a drop in sales relating to a specialty automobile, we can't really go forward without a significant period of time spent on the basics. I'm just not interested.

Thanks for the smile. Since you mention it, I studied Economics on a post-graduate level, and I have seen the sales data. Now you know, in part, why my comments from 3 years ago stand today.

There we have it. None of what I said was meant to diminish the righteousness, if you will, behind your decision to buy the car. I thought that was clear.

I didn't join the thread to argue. Unsubscribing.

 

"I replied to Rob in detail, because I like and respect him."

you really made my day. Thanks .

Rob

 

i gotta say one thing -

no one should consider it anything special how quick people were able to tune the X. Technology and information have grown exponentially even over the last 5 years, and tuning ideology has been fortified and proven tried and true. more/freer airflow, timing, boost, and boom you've added a crapton more power to the car (for turbos anyway).

what new technology did the X employ in terms of motor? exhaust on the mivec, which doesn't affect tuning significantly.. the ideology is still the same.

Once we have hybrid technology now.. well I'm sure it's going to take a bit longer for tuners to start finding solutions for bigger power - and may even resort to forced induction again as well.