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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:41 PM
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In relation to stock 10.5-10.6 a/f, but not in tuning.

11.2-11.3 = most flash tuners target to allow for variations.

11.5 is what most people tune to including myself on pump.

11.7-11.8 is what I have seen on some agressive reflashes from tuners names withheld, which may have had some knock.
yeah 11.5 is what shoot for as well but for daily driving prefer 11.2 just for the peace of mind. 11.7-11.8 I'll try those on pump gas when I get a knocklink. When I run meth I shoot for 12.5 and about 25lbs of boost.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:48 PM
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I just put 11.5:1 in the AFR tracking in the Pro and let it do the work.....

There are 2 PnP harnesses we have been discussing.

Joey has the Speed Density PnP which handles the sensors. He finished the remaining connections himself similar to the way an SAFC installs.

What Joey wired will become the second PnP as soon as I can get Boomslang going. Probably a couple weeks, and they get 140.00 or so for their harnesses.

Otherwise everything you need is ready to go. The units in stock are not currently flashed with 4.2, but I can make sure yours gets flashed before it ships.

I'm not sure how many are left in stock, its been a busy week. You would need to check with Mike. (he handles that kind of stuff.....)

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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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I just put 11.5:1 in the AFR tracking in the Pro and let it do the work.....

There are 2 PnP harnesses we have been discussing.

Joey has the Speed Density PnP which handles the sensors. He finished the remaining connections himself similar to the way an SAFC installs.

What Joey wired will become the second PnP as soon as I can get Boomslang going. Probably a couple weeks, and they get 140.00 or so for their harnesses.

Otherwise everything you need is ready to go. The units in stock are not currently flashed with 4.2, but I can make sure yours gets flashed before it ships.

I'm not sure how many are left in stock, its been a busy week. You would need to check with Mike. (he handles that kind of stuff.....)

Bob
If you have a serial to usb converter the flash takes less than 1 minute. Very simple upgrade nothing like a UTEC reflash.

I would only get the boomslang if you don't want to cut into factory wiring harness. The install is pretty simple, I figured it out fairly quick.

Bob if you run out of stock how long does it take to receive more?
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 03:00 PM
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Don't forget that the boomslang is not needed, you can use the standard fields harness and still not cut the factory wiring if you can solder. The fields harnesses I have seen for under $100! PM me if anyone is interested in the standard one.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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you can eliminate fuel cut without the reflash by oversizing the injectors....
But scaling them back will increase timing numbers until you have the control uploaded to the new firmware.

If you want to run leaner, you can boost higher without the fuel cut as well.
This of course is assuming that you are not at or near the pump gas threshold for knock 20-22psi as it is. You do not want to increase boost further at that point.

But a reflash is a good idea anyway in the long run.
I concur, until the timing adjustment feature is online, this sounds like the best course of action to bring timing numbers into the correct range.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joeymia
If you have a serial to usb converter the flash takes less than 1 minute. Very simple upgrade nothing like a UTEC reflash.

I would only get the boomslang if you don't want to cut into factory wiring harness. The install is pretty simple, I figured it out fairly quick.

Bob if you run out of stock how long does it take to receive more?
any serial port can flash the Trans Pro, it is a very easy procedure....

there is only one wire cut, and it is the same wire you cut when installing an SAFC.

We are looking at under 2 weeks at the moment. "Standard" leadtime is 2-4 weeks depending on a bunch of factors....

Bob
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GraphiteMR
But scaling them back will increase timing numbers until you have the control uploaded to the new firmware.


This of course is assuming that you are not at or near the pump gas threshold for knock 20-22psi as it is. You do not want to increase boost further at that point.


I concur, until the timing adjustment feature is online, this sounds like the best course of action to bring timing numbers into the correct range.

How much is the timing increase? A modest injector upgrade should not cause too much timing advance. Anyone have DATA?

Perhaps running some more timing, and a little less boost would be faster.... (EVERY group debates this one!)


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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 05:37 PM
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How much is the timing increase? A modest injector upgrade should not cause too much timing advance. Anyone have DATA?

Perhaps running some more timing, and a little less boost would be faster.... (EVERY group debates this one!)


Bob
I hear you. At the same time this system is so meth compatible that you will see many taking advantage of those features. Even on stock injectors pulling 30-35% fuel out will bring timing numbers to 25-26* + 30psi is kind of pushing it.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboBob
you can eliminate fuel cut without the reflash by oversizing the injectors....

If you want to run leaner, you can boost higher without the fuel cut as well.

But a reflash is a good idea anyway in the long run.

Bob
The EVO tends to run within a window with the MAF, so if the number is out of range within a particular rpm and tps, it will boost cut or fuel cut the good news is going with bigger injectors only indirectly affects timing and not by much and lowering the MAF reading definitely eliminated a majority of the cut issues with faster spooling turbos or higher boost levels.. And I do have data showing the lower maf reading actually caused pretty aggressive timing over stock at higher RPM, however it was a desirable result (with bigger injectors) so from 19-20 degrees, you'd see 20-22 degrees.. (this was at 20-21psi of boost BTW)

If you want to raise the fuel cut level, 25% larger injectors seemed to do the trick with the S-AFC and should also apply to the MAFTPro and anything else that uses MAF signal. The only problem I had with the larger injectors with the S-AFC was the idle fuel trims would generally go close to -20% so if you were driving for awhile at part throttle, then came to a stop, it would run rich until the STFT's would readjust and bump the LTFT's. Unfortunately if your A/C was on, it would run really rough when that happened.

Hope this helps..

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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by MalibuJack
The only problem I had with the larger injectors with the S-AFC was the idle fuel trims would generally go close to -20% so if you were driving for awhile at part throttle, then came to a stop, it would run rich until the STFT's would readjust and bump the LTFT's. Unfortunately if your A/C was on, it would run really rough when that happened.

Hope this helps..
This is usually a result of injectors with a different 'offset' or 'deadtime'.... The Pro can tune this out.

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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 06:42 PM
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show your support let the moderators know you think MAFTpro needs its own forum.

https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=165032
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Old Oct 21, 2005 | 08:12 AM
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just added my thoughts and support for your suggestion of a MAFTPro forum.. I'll probably contribute there alot once i can get my hands on one.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 12:28 PM
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Since I just bought one and I will be keeping the UTEC I will try and keep this thread going to see what I can do with it.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 12:32 PM
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Thanks, I'm in the same boat, minus the MAFTPro, but very interested in what it will take to sing along with the UTEC.
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Old Oct 31, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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So how much to get the map sensor pnp harness etc, for speed density. And where to order?
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