NEW FP GREEN, setup doesn't produce expected power!!!
SE is great and I have seen a ton of great tunes come out of there but you may want to take you car over to bryan@gst and see what he thinks. Not that he is a better tuner but he might have some different insight for you to start narrowing down the problem. Because there is a huge problem. You should hit those numbers with just a tune and drop in filter.
No offense taken. I actually think its a good idea to take it to another third party source as I've run out of ideas on how to fix this car.
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EFix-MR------------Well put (defense) and thanks for posting curves. Your tune looks good except for #'s. I think the car might have a bit of LEMON in it. I hope everything works out for this guy.
I didn't notice cams in his list of mod's.
I didn't notice cams in his list of mod's.
On an VIII yes, but the IX has a fairly beefy cam due to the MIVEC (thats my understanding) there for after tuning and such cams arent really necessary unless your going BIG numbers. They would help, but not in this instance.
For those doubting Andy's tuning capabilities... When he tuned my car, I made 326whp/319wtq on 91 octane on a conservative tune with the following mods:
TBE
drop in filter
o2 hosuing
LICP
Cosworth cams
FP Green
Titanium valvesprings/retainers
ARP headstuds
720cc injectors
walbro fp
I rode in the origional poster's car today and it seemed to pull smooth, but it just didn't seem to produce any power. Dunno what's wrong with the car. =/
TBE
drop in filter
o2 hosuing
LICP
Cosworth cams
FP Green
Titanium valvesprings/retainers
ARP headstuds
720cc injectors
walbro fp
I rode in the origional poster's car today and it seemed to pull smooth, but it just didn't seem to produce any power. Dunno what's wrong with the car. =/
man you guys are getting robbed on the 91 octane gas. IMO your problem doesn't seem to be the tunner, the gas has a lot to do with the way your car is acting. Evos' were never ment for 91, the owners manual says it and i quote "93 octane gas is the minimum octane level sugested, anything under 93 will decrease performance." the FP green is a great turbo but your only getting about 25 hp over a stock IX turbo, you should look into meth injection to get your octane level up, or mix some tolulene in with your gas.
Good luck Bobrick on finding out what the problem is! I was stressing when my car had excessive boost creep on the dyno that had no explanation, SE allowed me to take apart the mbc and wastegate to figure what the problem was. It never was resolved but raisng the boost on my car doesn't increase the creeping so it was tunable.
Just wanted to say how good of a tuner Andy is and there customer service is the best around from my experience
Just wanted to say how good of a tuner Andy is and there customer service is the best around from my experience
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Let me restate what I've already said, since people do not appear to be reading the entire thread.
1. The output of this car is not normal.
2. It made 271 whp since this was 50 whp below my average I turned down the boost making 250 whp so the car could be safe to drive until the car was fixed.
3. Speed Element did not install any of these parts on this vehicle
4. The average output of the 5 to 6, EVO9's and EVO8's equipped with the Green I've tuned is 320 whp.
5. Compression check was performed approx. 140-150 psi on all four cylinders. EVO9 has a different specification for compression tests than EVO 8, 140-150 psi is within factory specs for an EVO 9.
6. Car was tuned below the stock knock sensor threshold and progressively gained timing throught the power band. 270 and 250 whp was as high as the hp would go without timing retard.
7. Customer was charged $150 total for 5 hours of combined dyno time and diagnostics.
And again for those whom think I started tuning yesterday... My Tuning credits...
10 sec all motor methanol honda
Multiple 10 sec SFWD honda
10 sec stock bottom end GT35R EVO9
Multiple 11 sec EVO8's and EVO9's
Countless 300 whp 91 octane stock turbo EVO8's and EVO9's.
As for what's wrong with this car I'm not sure, but whatever is wrong with it, I feel I have more than given my customer a good deal for the services I provided vs the price I charged.
For any naysayers... I only hope that if you ever have problems on the dyno, your tuner would be as generous as I am, since normally whether or not your car makes power people expect to be paid for all their time which is $150 per hour. The dyno is an extremely expensive place to diagnose basic problems on a car. It is not my obligation to fix this car or give a discount, especially when we did not install any of the parts. I did so because I would like to believe that I am a nice guy. I am in this industry because it is my passion and not because I am looking to make a million dollars.
Let me restate what I've already said, since people do not appear to be reading the entire thread.
1. The output of this car is not normal.
2. It made 271 whp since this was 50 whp below my average I turned down the boost making 250 whp so the car could be safe to drive until the car was fixed.
3. Speed Element did not install any of these parts on this vehicle
4. The average output of the 5 to 6, EVO9's and EVO8's equipped with the Green I've tuned is 320 whp.
5. Compression check was performed approx. 140-150 psi on all four cylinders. EVO9 has a different specification for compression tests than EVO 8, 140-150 psi is within factory specs for an EVO 9.
6. Car was tuned below the stock knock sensor threshold and progressively gained timing throught the power band. 270 and 250 whp was as high as the hp would go without timing retard.
7. Customer was charged $150 total for 5 hours of combined dyno time and diagnostics.
And again for those whom think I started tuning yesterday... My Tuning credits...
10 sec all motor methanol honda
Multiple 10 sec SFWD honda
10 sec stock bottom end GT35R EVO9
Multiple 11 sec EVO8's and EVO9's
Countless 300 whp 91 octane stock turbo EVO8's and EVO9's.
As for what's wrong with this car I'm not sure, but whatever is wrong with it, I feel I have more than given my customer a good deal for the services I provided vs the price I charged.
For any naysayers... I only hope that if you ever have problems on the dyno, your tuner would be as generous as I am, since normally whether or not your car makes power people expect to be paid for all their time which is $150 per hour. The dyno is an extremely expensive place to diagnose basic problems on a car. It is not my obligation to fix this car or give a discount, especially when we did not install any of the parts. I did so because I would like to believe that I am a nice guy. I am in this industry because it is my passion and not because I am looking to make a million dollars.
We also tune on a dynodynamics (1.00 correction factor) so I am very familiar with the numbers etc. Tune looks to be good (not saying ideal because I know you did not have time to finish it up) we also run conservative AFR to start even on 93 we start at 10.5:1. You already know this but from looking at the plots I don't see any knock (for everyone else, yes you can see knock on a dynodynamics graph, if it is enough to pull timing anyway). The curve looks a little soft at the very top, but nothing a couple degrees of timing would not cure if you had time to finish the tune, but other than that it looks like a normal IX curve just shifted down.
I would guess he slipped a tooth on the timing belt (though I would think the curve would be more shatty if so) or has some bent blades on the turbo. Most of the VIII's we have seen with a slipped tooth will drop about 40 whp. We've got a local guy that dropped about 40whp on pump due to some bent blades on his green and a swapped motor (motor let go due to meth pump failure, swapped the motor out then brought it back for a retune / checkup, now the most we can pull out of it on pump is 310 down from 350 everything has been checked and re checked).
IX's with stock turbo and cams plus turbo back and tune are normally in the 280-290 range on out DD so something is surely amiss with the mechanicals.
Yeah. Your dyno seems pretty on par with Andy's at Speed Element. When Andy first tuned my Evo IX w/ TBE, drop in, and Cosworth 272 cams, I made 313whp on his Dyno Dynamics. I was at 284-292whp previous to that with just tbe/flash.