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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
11.0:1 AFR... I would try 11.5 and pull back the timing where it knocks.

That wouldn't fix anything because its not like hes running extra boost or timing to compensate for the rich afr...
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 11:51 AM
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A car that to me obviously has some type of defect... To run the car with more dangerous tuning specs is not the way to go. I've been tuning EFI for close to 10 years.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by EFIxMR
Tuning the car near 11.0 is one of my tuning criteria for 91 oct. If someone wants their car tuned to some lean AFR on 91 oct. they can take their car somewhere else, as the 100+ custom tuned cars I've tuned on 91 oct. have no problem making power with an 11.0 and under AFR.

Our car stock motor 10 sec GT35R EVO9 runs an 11.5 AFR on 109 oct... An EVO does not need to run lean to make power.
I respect your decision to keep the fuel conservative, didn't mean to make waves.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Mellon
I respect your decision to keep the fuel conservative, didn't mean to make waves.
Np, don't mean to sound standoff-ish, but I feel like I've been placed on the chopping block, and this internet drama is tiring.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:19 PM
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please kill this thread, its so annoying, take the god-damnn car in and get it checked out. i have a fungus on my baaallll s does anyone know what it is
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:20 PM
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SE is great and I have seen a ton of great tunes come out of there but you may want to take you car over to bryan@gst and see what he thinks. Not that he is a better tuner but he might have some different insight for you to start narrowing down the problem. Because there is a huge problem. You should hit those numbers with just a tune and drop in filter.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:28 PM
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actually the graphs are pretty cool...

good afrs very strong boost curve which stays above 20psi at 7000rpm...but the power its not there!

i heard many opinions here about the engine, rings, leaks etc etc... if this was the case the car would smoke or burn oil etc etc...

seeing these graphs it makes me believe even more that there is something with the turbo flow! i would do what i said before... check the manifold/turbo area... the flow simply its not there...

also something that someone suggested and i agree as i have the same air filter... use only the side part of the induction box and leave it open from above and use the OEM air scoop to help with the air...

cant wait to see the source of the problem!!!


Mellon i dont think the leaning of afrs is the solution to his problem! with 11 flat afr he could make more than 300whp...

i make 309whp on the same type dyno without a green, with cams and a cat not a testpipe with afrs high 10s and 22psi... this is what he should make without the cams and close to 330-335 with cams!
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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Last edited by brodienuchies; Aug 28, 2007 at 01:05 PM.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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My cars power isn't where it's supposed to be either. I still can't figure it out. It pisses me off.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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If the car runs well, but just doesn't make the power, there could be an obstruction in the intake (dirty filter) or exhaust (extreme corrosion in muffler, etc.). My Camaro last year made 280 whp on the dyno when it should have made 350+. It seemed to run fine and this only appeared on the dyno during a tuning session. AFR was okay, all cylinders okay, etc. Turned out that the air filter was dirtier than it appeared. Gave that K&N a good cleaning and the car picked up over 70 whp on the next pull.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:17 PM
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+1 can't wait to see the source of the problem. I have this turbo and I make killer power for my mods.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Bimmubishi
this emphasizes his point.. that's a lot of boost. and meth...

How much can the stock turbo make with those boost levels and meth? I'm betting at 30psi that it will be very close.
A stock turboed Evo with a 10.5 hotside running meth at 30psi will make "around" 400awhp. 50awhp is a big difference!
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:28 PM
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Not to take anything away, but so has the stock turbo..
Originally Posted by davidbuschur
TDo5HR, are you freaking kidding me?

The turbo has put down unbelievable numbers and run in the 10's at 130 mph, all with a turbo that spools like stock.

Get real.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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maybe you were running leaded fuel through the cat or o2 sensor is jacked because of it? Just throwing out ideas
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by atlvalet
Again, if you have nothing of use to add to the thread, please STFU. Andy is a well-regarded tuner in the Bay Area, and you show your ignorance by suggesting something is wrong with the tune.

Now, back to our regularly-scheduled second-guessing...
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! I'm not trying to bash the tuner (Andy). I'm sure he is a great tuner, maybe what i should have said was to get a better tune with better products. There's no need for you to explode like that, i've never bashed anyone on here and dont intend to start. I honestly was giving my opinion to try to help him, and i appologize if i offended you and Andy.
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