Hey all, for those of you that haven't seen my build thread, you're not missing much, admittedly other than dropping some money on coilover suspension my mods have been pretty...underwhelming.

Hopefully that will change this spring, with financial aide, taxes and any other saved money I am going to build a turbo kit for my car...I want to hit around 200 whp but I only have a budget of about 3k which precludes RRMs turbo kit, so I'm thinking of TSIs kit for around 2200 plus whatever else, piggyback, tuning, fuel pump, injectors...whatever...I may have around 4k for the car, but I wanted to save some for front BBK cause stopping a turbo lancer might be harder to do with stock brakes and rear drums...

I found this: http://www.turbo-kits.com/lancer_turbo_kits.html

would that work, what else would I need etc to stay safe (not blow motors or trannys)?

Please help me out because I think I'm in over my head, I have read through the stickies, read other posts, and I'm still a little lost on this whole turboing thing, but I need the car to be a Honda smoker...I'm tired of being taunted...anyway, the car is auto, has about 140k on it, and I need a reason to keep making my payments on it, other than the obvious credit responsibilities...I need to love my car again and our stock 90 some WHP just isn't doing it anymore...not planning on anything more than a 5-9 psi so I can keep stock internals, what do y'all think?

 

I think you should go custom build personally, I have about $2300 invested in my build and that price includes everything in this list plus minor little things (clamps, misc bolts and gaskets etc.) That means my completely bone stock car not even any aftermarket intake lol to turbo heaven with all nessasary supporting mods for 10psi stock internals


Turbo with 9.8 hotside: Have
FMIC with UICP and LICP: Have
440cc injectors: Have
Walbro 255: Have
O2 housing: Have
Openport 1.3m: Have
Evo 8 ECU: Have
Forge WGA: Have
EGT and Oil pressure Gauges with senders: Have
ARP Head studs: Have
Timing belt and Head gasket: Have
Megan Evo 9 manifold: Bought and sold!!!!!
16G 4G94 Manifold: Have
Boost Gauge, and A pillar: Have
Forge spring tuning kit: Have
Slim Fan: Have
AEM Uego: Have
RRM stage 2 Clutch: Have
Lightweight crank pulley: Have
Evoscan: Have
Oil Sandwich Adapter: Have
Magnaflow Muffler: Have
Evo 9 Metal BOV: Have
Evo 9 Complete Intake piping: Have
3" B&B Downpipe: Have
Oil feed line: Have
MBC: Have

This is just a copy paste from the first page of my thread, I recommend reading it from beginning to end, its long but it will give you a great understanding of what goes into something like this and if your up to the challenge myself and many others are here to help just make sure to utilize that search button before asking lol.

 

Thanks for that, I'm actually really scared of doing a custom build cause I don't think I'd know what all to get, haha, I guess I just feel safer getting a kit, but anyways, it's something else to look into I suppose, I know I have some more reading to do but I have definitely read quite a bit on the subject so far...i'm just understanding it all yet...

 

If your worried about the custom build, then your best bet will be the rrm kit. Even if it takes you longer to get it I would say its worth the wait, less stress on fitment and backed up with proven results. I actually thought about that same kit from turbo kits as well before going the custom kit. I will tell you right now everything in that kit is universal fit which means you will have to do some fabbing, maybe cutting tubing to length getting other tubing with different elbows etc. I also noticed it says generic instructions which equals garbage directions and you will end up paying a shop to do the install which is $$$ there, but IDK maybe someone out there has this kit and can chime in? Not tryin to bum ya out on that kit but want you to be aware of this to help ya make an edjucated desician on what to do. This time last year I thought a BOV and a wastegate were different names for the same thing lol and self tuning are you insane??? haha but now I have built installed and am tuning my own kit with some crazy power for the money I have put into it. Just some things to chew on keep us posted

 

I've said it before and i'll say it again. Until you know the ins and outs of turbo's, and have the knowledge to build your own kit, you shouldnt put any kit on. Not only for the fact that you wont know whats going on with your car, when it comes time to fix it, you better have either a) a mechanic who knows how to deal with cars with extensive aftermarket modifications or b) a friend who knows that. Because honestly 75% of mechanics only go as far as stock parts and repair.

I honestly can understand the frustration you have of wanting to boost but not really understanding any of it,. i was exactly in that position a few years back. If you check into my back posts, you will see i had the most ridiculous questions, but i chugged away and spent an hour or so everyday on here reading build threads, stickies, and researching how turbos work on the internet. Eventually i had a complete understanding of it, and i was able to piece together and install a custom kit within 3 months, and had it running for 8 solid until the used turbo i was using blew an oil seal.

Just setting you up for whats ahead. Its not easy, its not cheap, and it has the potential to be even more costly if you dont know what you're doing. Even an RRM kit can blow an engine at 7psi if you dont know how to drive a turbo car (aka giving it cool down time, etc etc)

 

I appreciate the replies, and I know I'm way over my head on this, but that's the whole point, I want to understand it, I want to know how it works and believe me, I'm not going to try anything until I know exactly what it all entails.

My main concern with a custom kit is not having all the parts I need or parts that don't fit together well, obviously I understand I need to know all the ins and outs of it beforehand, but I also am kind of lost as to where to start. I will do a lot more reading but I figured I would try to get some input from the experienced, a lot of it is mainly that I'm not sure where to start or what all to read.

but I'm sure ill make sense of it eventually, it almost seems better to just pay my car down to as little inequity I can manage and trade it in for an old evo or subie...matter of fact there's a subie for sale with 80k on it for about 10k, figure that would be a good trade off...

Anyway, I shall keep searching and reading till I make a decision...

 

A BBK won't stop the car any faster, basic physics interferes with this assumption. Buy better pads and fluid.
If you know you're in over your head, why the hell are pushing forward with this so much? If you don't know what you're doing, stop until you do. This isn't something to do half-assed and running an aftermarket turboed car is a lot different than running an otherwise stock vehicle. I'm a firm believer that for the most part, you get what you pay for. If you spend as little as possible on a kit, you'll get as little as possible of a kit in return.
Asking us to basically educate you on your own project seems foolish to me, you need to the research yourself so you know what you're doing, not simply mindlessly follow the advice of people who really won't care if something goes wrong since it's not their car. If someone on here accidentally posts the wrong information, do you think they're going to deal with/pay for the consequences?
If your sole reason for doing this is to make a "Honda smoker" stop now and sell the damn car. Hondas are in a league of their own and there will always be a faster Honda out there.

 

I agree with 03 lance over here, if your not sure what parts you need I would read his thread then ask questions. Im doing the same thing as you man but I chose to buy piece by piece and im only half way there so far but my kit is looking great. I was worried about missing stuff to but when link62 made fun of me and posted up all the links to turboing my car

My 16g Install ))))
The time has come to boost the lancer
Turbo Soon
I am finally getting a turbo
New turbo lancer on the forum!
Yet another 16g
Custom 16G6 Turbo Project
HMT EVO 16g6 Project
03 lancer es Evo 8 build
02 lancer oz 16G Build
Yet another thread about Turboing a 03 lancer.

I sat down and read all of these in a day "because I was off work" and I got the full understanding about my kit. Now I may have a question here or there but I will usually go back and find my answer in the threads. Hope these help you

 

Idk about losing to a Honda. I have never lost to one that had equal or more supporting mods. lol

Veeeetac!


Good luck with what you do and make sure you do a lot of research. Don't let any of these guys on the forums scare you off.

 

For the bare minimums for turbo you need:
Turbo with hotside and oil return and feed lines
02 housing
downpipe that will connect your 02 housing to your stock exhaust
intercooler and piping
blow off valve
turbo manifold that will connect your turbo to your head
slim fan since your stock fan will not longer fit
piggyback or some form of engine managment
At least and wideband and boost gauge


Now this is the absolute bare things needed for running a turbo at 5-7psi max. Everything else is highly recommended but not an absolute. Anything over 7 is when injectors are a must, upgraded fuel pump is a must. Also if you do the common evo turbo setup then you will have to add the adjustable wastgate actuator with the green spring to replace the stock one so your not trying to run 18psi . Clutch, this you will need very soon after turboing if you do not replace before hand. Also over 7psi I suggest new head studs like arp that way you dont lift your head (very very bad) Keep in mind they techically dont make them for our car but they have some for a toyota engine (the exact one escapes me) that fits perfect, I know cause I have them . I also say get a oil pressure gauge, this isnt needed but it gives me piece of mind that if my pressure drops all the sudden I can pull over right away before any serious damage results. This is just a nice little list for ya and some suggestions. Just like OZ said dont get too intimidated by everyone and the task a turbo can be its all a learning experience and a fun one at that

 

hey can you run stock injectors with 1-5 psi without a tune? I might need to drive probably 25-45 mins to a place with a dyno and posibly a place that can tune if I mess up on ecu flash? just need to know

 

You will be fine as long as you dont let your turbo spool up otherwise you can run lean just drive easy and watch the boost gauge

 

driving 25-45 minutes will most likely get him into spooling territory. At least with my turbo setup if i was doing anything over like 35mph a light tap on the gas would put me into positive pressure. Also as a footnote, even under 7psi you will need to upgrade the fuel pump to a walbro. The stocker cannot keep up.

Are you upgrading your injectors at the place you're getting tuned? Because they cant tune stock injectors to put out more fuel than they can handle........Your other option if you want to keep the stock injectors is an FMU, which increases fuel pressure proportionate to boost and forces more fuel out of the injectors.

If you're installing 440cc injectors and trying to drive it to the shop to get tuned, the car will run like crap cuz it will be ungodly rich. So that might be a problem there.

 

to this day i still have my stock fuel pump and fpr in my car and she runs fine under boost. it is recommended to upgrade pump but not needed.


josh

 

Just don't get cheap parts and then drive like you got the best parts. There a lot of people on here that can give you pic by pic and site by site on what you need. Don't rush it and have fun.