First off... thanks to sdhotown After seeing this i was going to post like you did but after reading yours there is no need.

Now getting to some facts... i've witnessed two 3G's have problems with the RIPP kit. Both due to keeping the stock header... guess the stock headers kept to much heat back and detonation occured. I believe they've since gone with headers to get rid of this.(and new pistons.) That's why i asked about the injection system if you really must know. Since it's included with the kit no biggy but sdhotown pointed out... what if it FAILS??

Another fact is i've installed a few RIPP kits and there were some issues which i've addressed before concerning customer relations and parts that were not fitting correctly/properly without modification.

Now the one kit that caused me some headaches was a rushed job(for RIPP and the customer) and that may have been the reason for the problems. But RIPP promised the customer he'd have it before a certain event and he didn't... hell if i had installed it in two hours he still couldn't have made it in time. The kit did get installed and since then i've spoke with the owner and he's extremely pleased though he had some negative things to say about RIPP's customer service as well.(This seems to be a problem with more than just me!)

In the end though he's happy with the product... thats a plus for RIPP. His car is running well... another plus and the biggest one i believe.

RIPP... did you know there is a four cylinder turbo'd 3G running in the 10's?? Isn't he the fastest 3G?? He's not a 6 cylinder but does that matter?? I believe RRE has a customer running in the low 11's with a 4 cylinder as well turbo'd. Point is that there will always be a faster ride out there... whether it's turbo'd or supercharged isn't the point to me it's the cost and customer satisfaction that matters when i buy something.

I like the fact your taking your time with the kit but you've posted its done and it IS NOT apparently. That's my take since your not posting and the GB isn't going as it should. But you do have a lot going on with other kits so the lancer has to take a back seat some times right?? That's a little punchy, sorry, but it's how i feel about this sometimes.

Some info i'd like to share is that i've checked temps on my setup and non-ic'd at 7 psi i was hitting about 190 degrees. This was with a cold air to turbo, 77 degree day, pretty close to sea level, etc... i did the same test today 88 degrees out, lower than sea level, with cold air still and intercooled... temp was 170 at 11 psi. If the supercharger is supposed to be so much cooler why isn't it?? Something don't seem right about that and i'd like to know. I'm running the big T-28 that came with the RRM kit and it is ported though that shouldn't affect my temps?? Sdhotown any ideas on this??

Seems there is still a lot of unanswered ??'s now and even though it's not MY JOB... as a concerned LANCER ENTHUSIAST i'd like to know as would all the other ENTHUSIASTs out there i'm sure.

Now i highly encourage people to buy the SC kit and don't base things negatively off of these informative posts... rather use this info as a logical decision maker... either way you go you, THE CUSTOMER, needs to be happy with what you get or the VENDOR has failed you!! RIPP has a lot of supporters and a lot of good things under their belts and that is a big point to consider as well.

Oh and RIPP... SEE YA IN MY REAR VIEW
BOE///RRM-STAGE II

 

I should stop now but i'm a little upset with some things you've said RIPP and as others have pointed out i believe i've been wronged. I just want things to be open and honest... and they are getting there. The questions that are being asked are fair and unbiased. The info coming out in public forum is great and really giving a lot to the customers. It's a shame that you feel attacked as that is not my intention. So lets put this to and end:

RIPP i appologize for anything that may have been harsh or of mal will towards you or your company ... trully i'm out for the best interests of the community. It's common knowledge i love RRM but i paid for everything on my car(CASH) so they are not my sponsors nor are they in any way making me do what i do. Hell i started out with NOS and every chance i get i kill that issue if i can. I have yet to try and burn you i just want everything out in the open and if i have a pertanent ?? i want the answer for myself and the community.

Now that being said i'd like an appology from you as i feel you have wronged me as well.

This requires a lot, so that is why i appologized first. I'm fast, no doubt about that, and when i want faster i'll get it but it's not about me its about the people who still need speed. If we work together ie: you answer mine and other peoples ??'s. the knowledge will be out there and people will get their speed one way or another. That should be your goal as well i feel. Now let's see where this goes?

Sdhotown... you are truely a great person on this board and though your lancer days are gone i'm glad you stayed around as your insite into many topics is very informative and valued.
Hell i've learned a lot from some of your stuff!

 

RIPP,

I hope you understand that we do think your product is a great product, and that people should very much consider it. But informed and intelligent decisions on how to buy it.

I'll flat out admit that one of the biggest things that turned me off from the RRM kit and I was going to go RPW before I switched cars was because I could not get technical specifics as to each and every component in the kit from RRM. I basically was left with the impression of "I had to put down a downpayment to show I was serious and then could get the info I wanted" sort of thing. Which was just not cool.. so I had to resort to talking to member that already had the kit to find out what was all in it. That's not the way it should have to be. So us knowing and understanding what is on the kit, why, and so forth are imperative for intelligent buying. I remember seeing something about you guys have your own "black box" for fuel system management. Well that bothers me because the fuel is the most important aspect of any FI system and will determine whether or not your car lasts or fries. So I always REALLY want to know what is going on with my fuel systems. Some people don't care, and honestly there are some people who it is better for them not to know as they could harm their cars with "knowledge." But at the same time to fully evaluate the quality of a kit it's pretty important to know the function, reliability, and methods behind the fuel and detonation prevention.

Frankly I'm a massive fan of the JandS Safeguard because it is one of the most impressive and underrated and under-"known" pieces of car technology out on the market. But I'll tell you that you get ever last bit of detail regarding the system when you work with JandS to say the least. How many companies do you know of that will give you a circuit diagram so you can build your own gauge for their product instead of paying over 100 for the gauge from them!! Now that's serious customer support, and part of why JandS users are furiously loyal and huge fans of the little purple box!

So you can do more positive and great sales by being there to provide information and answer questions whether they are technical or "novice"

You and Boe will have to look past any differences and any offense given or perceived either way. Otherwise, it'll speak to what some might expect from you if they ever "irritated" you in some manner or form.

Thanks,

Steve

 

As far as the temps being so close... I'm really not surprised. As much as people like to argue otherwise an SDS is still a turbo, just a shaft driven one, same basic efficiency levels etc. Just has a gain from the fact that it is not adjacent to exhaust gases.

My guess though with you being cooler may just simply be the sizing of the compressors. Bigger compressors are often more inefficient and generate higher heat. I know a T3 on the Lancer will create much higher charge temps from what I've heard. It's been a while since I've looked at the compressor maps (nearly a year actually) so it's hard for me to recall the reasoning and so forth behind it. What may happen is that the RIPP kit there was rumor of that may run as much as 22 psi may show better temps than what a T28 would generate at 22 psi. It's all about what the compressor does best based on rpms and cfm and so forth. Not much getting around the mechanical aspects of the system. They are what they are.

 

with the temps, you are also comparing your turbo running at 7 psi and the RIPP SDS running at 11 psi....try cranking your boost and i'm sure your temps will go way up.

RIPP: the kit on the website is non-intercooled from what i've read, yet the numbers for hp you say are from the stage 2 intercooled kit. so i'm just wondering which one is correct and if you have numbers for the stage 1 kit as well. thanks

 

You know? I've been reading this forum like every chance I get so i can see if I can learn something, and I'ld like to thank sdhotwn and Boe for asking questions and helping me understand what FI is all about... Thanks for the input guys...

Boe... I am still going to go the Ripps SC so I can take you to the track just for the hell of it ... hehe

Ripp... I think you guys got a great product and I want in on it

 

The rips SDS numbers at 11 psi (I'm assuming before methanol injection) were 230 degrees... The intercooled turbo at 11 psi was hitting 180 degrees. So a bit of a disparity. What the SDS kit would be at 11 psi intercooled I don't know. They were also at 188 degrees at 9 psi versus the 190 at 7 psi for the turbo, so yes it was doing better. But the disparity isn't huge which I believe is what boe was trying to point out.

 

wow that dude from ripp was a jrkoff. i really wanted to get the ripp sds but if thats the kind of people workin there, i think im a reconsider. hes bitin heads off on furums whats he gonna do when people ask questions in person?

 

Ripps kit is set to 9 psi, not 11.

 

the main thing ripp needs to do is, answer our question. If they have to break up each post and quote do it. It'll make us happier and safer to say, I WANT A SDS KIT. Ripp takes all of our comments as bad or taking the company words for ish, when the real reason is too get our questions answered. When we ask question, answer them, thats the only way to get our respect. The main question is, dynos, WHP and WTQ. Where still waiting, until those questions get answered... ur gonna have some hate from the sidelines, and some followers on the field. When it came to RRM stage 2, there was hate, and there was followers... than they dropped dynos... and there was silence. I also feel we take the backburner to your other projects, give us some more info. Dont leave lancer drivers in the dust. Where not stupid, we know you browse the boards, threads, post (this thread) everyday. See a question, take time to answer it. I want SDS, but want REAL NUMBERS, not hypothesis. Since you guys dont have dynos, and crank numbers, im thinking to get the money for stage II RRM. Thou, i really want and SDS... just i want those numbers to come out dyno'd and not 'we think/figure'.

Dont loose another customer (if yall care)

 

screw horse power numbers, i want to see the air/fuel curve on the dyno. if anyone knows a link to one plz post. I know they provide a fuel management but thats the way to see how tuned it is.

 

You know i never thought of that even though RRM provided one by coincidence. That's a good request. That will show how close to the edge/safe it is, in terms of fuel, and if there is room to expand. Good request lanOZcer!

 

wow a thousand word essay by ripp but still no dyno, why am i not supprised.

 

^^^ lol, you get my vote

 

The Dyno results are 222 whp and 211 wtourque. This was at 9 psi with water injection. This is how they are selling the kit.