I was checking out some of RIPPS site today and found this: (quoted from site)

In some cases cars were running optional RIPP equipment, including but not limited to RIPP Intercooler, Over Drive Crank pulleys, RIPP piston program or more aggressive programming. Horse power has been tested out side RIPP to be within 10% of our figures. RIPP cannot control out side conditions such as, ambient temperatures, sea level, or vehicle condition, such as transmissions weakness, clutch status, tune up condition, or over all engine condition.
heres the link: http://rippmods.com/

It's the second paragraph of the italisized(sp) writting. Does the test car have extra stuff on it that doesn't come with the kit?? Does this mean the numbers they are saying could be higher than the basic kit due to these extra parts?? Why would they do that... they should dyno the basic kit and tell us that plus show the dyno for it.

It seems the kit is about 3900 bucks... not to bad and that includes the methanol injection system(intercooled basically). Thats about the same as RRM... a bit cheaper actually. Now my next question would be wheres the dyno for the base kit so it can be compared to an intercooled RRM kit and RPW kit.

Also found this: (quoted from site)

New for 2003 is the inception of our RIPP Boost Cooler, a Methanol water injection system, which spray’s down that heat soaked boost with cool methanol and oxygen rich water. The system comes with a RIPP Digital controller, which is preset and calibrated to insure proper initiation. In conjunction to cooling the air down, it also adds HP and torque, as well as cancels out any and all detonation, should there be any. The system comes complete with all the hardware and mounting brackets to insure a proper fit, and of coarse is covered by our now standard one year warrantee.

Here's the link: http://rippmods.com/products/product...&productId=101

Its about a quarter of the page down... does this mean that if you get the kit without this you could have detonation and blow your motor?? By its wording you could still have some detonation even with it... that's scary.

The kit seems pretty complete... i can't really see anything missing from it so thats a plus. Another totally complete kit is needed i think that is where RPW loses out a little.

Blazen and Frqzo seem to be the only people with these kits. I know you guys are trying to go to Englishtown(everyone is dying to see the results) but can you also dyno it and let us know if you have extra mods not included with the basic kit. If you have underdrive pulleys i'd like to know as that effects things... also how much there were and who makes them as many would love to buy them.

Good luck at Englishtown... hopefully there be some new records to beat. Frqzo good luck on the install from the looks of things it should be cake but from personnal experience the injectors can be a *****. The kits i've worked with from RIPP had venom clips that didn't match the injectors. They had to be forced/modified to fit. Let us know how the install goes as we know the RRM kit can be a pain i'm wondering if the RIPP kit is easier. Thanks.

 

hmmm... that does give you something to think about

 

Hooked up the signal wire, and you were both right. The wire is blue at the O2 and white in the harness. Multimeters are great. Its funny to watch a boost guage stay on the negative side. Thanks.

 

HMMMM boe - since you and steve have been talking in these couple forums about turbo's and superchargers i have started to lean away from the supercharger and go more and more towards the rrm turbo

 

It really isn't about leaning one way or the other in my opinion... its just getting what you want for the money you'll spend as well as reliability. RIPP, RRM, RPW have been around for a while and many debates have been had on them all. A Vendor/Company must keep good on statements made and not mislead in any way. I've always felt RRM was in it for the long hall and been in the customers corner on many occasions were other vendors/companies would have blew them off. In the end you spend your money on what you feel is right and that is all that matters.

Proof of product, time tested results, and satisfied customer support/recommendations are huge factors when deciding and no one can make the decision for you. Either way you go just be happy in the decision and dust some suckers in a boosted lancer!!

fkrzo... glad to see you got it right... why do you say its good to be on the negative side??

 

Until next weekend I am NA. So my boost guage stays in vac. I didn't say it was good, just funny watching it never pass zero.

 

Umm Boe... the "F" are you talking about? Look around the other forums… you’ll read nothing but praise towards our product and support.

Our products have been proving themselves for 36 months... the Lancer kit is just starting to come out of production this month. So in a week or so you'll get your answers. Your opinion is valued and we appreciate the time and effort you’re putting into making sure the RIPP RPW and RRM stay on top of their game... BUT IT’S NOT YOUR JOB TO.

As for your question.... does the Methanol/Water need to be present under any other boosted conditions.... is simple.... (A little novice if you ask me). With a Vortech SC the boost does not get as detrimentally hot as it does with a turbo system. Our data logging shows the air to be less than 188 degrees under boost condition up to 9psi.... at or about 10-11psi we see a jump in temperature up to 40 degrees... (224-230). The Methanol Water injection serves two purposes. 1) Spray a cooling mist into the boost stream and bring the air temps down. 2) The Methanol and water add both air density and octane. The results are a (NOS) time jump in power when triggered (automatically via a digital controller). The system will use very little fluid as the jetting is very fine AND under at least 100psi. So the answer to your question is not whether or not YOU need it.... It not for you to think! It whether we felt we should include it to keep it safe and reliable. We decided yes; let’s include it to keep it safe.

Now... lets touch on some of your other topics to address... since you seem to enjoy picking apart our extremely informative web site as opposed to (in our opinion) technically lacking site.

We go out of our way to make sure the information is on the table.... To date nearly ALL OF OUR V6 KITS have laid down the WHP we advertise.... you seem to think we are lying! Cool no problem when the kits finally out the truth will be seen... Just this past weekend, the V6 guys HAD A DYNO day… of which 13 out of the 20 cars there were SDS powered… driving from as 400 miles to lay it down and go home. A stock block SDS powered M/W injected car laid down 302whp… on a rainy day!

Right now.... the FASTEST and most powerful Eclipses V6 are RIPP powered (11.83@127) that’s a daily driven car, un-stripped with AC, PS,PW, Sun roof and a spare tire! The fastest recorded Stratus coupe just clicked off a 12.33@118...again drove to the track... with all in place.... we just finished our Tiburon V6 kit... do you think we are going to go slow with it..? No! we are going to follow the technology we seem to be perfecting....

Getting back on track:
The testing Lancer has been running 9-11psi for the better part of the year... on stock internals....we DO NOT LET ANYTHING GO Out WITHOUT MAKING SURE Its SAFE! We are not greedy with respect to sales.... WE HAVE sold over 300 kits with still less than 10 total engine failures to date... these are facts not opinions!

Your condescending, smug, and nearly comical attempt to try and intimidate potential clientele, exemplifies that you know our product will do EXACTLY what we have brought to the table... and your just trying to instill drought early on! At least that’s the way we see it!

Again, on the other end of the spectrum…. Your trying to make sure we are not lying and that our products really do what they advertise! GUESS WHAT IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO... Its ours... if we do not pull off what we lay claim to we will suffer the consequences... and don't worry we are not unsure, or unaware of what we have said....

Next time... before I post anything... I will E mail it to you, you can proof read it and check for grammatical, and spelling errors and send it back to me... that way I know that you approve of the things I write...

Don't get me wrong... I/we are not going to lose any sleep over you or the sheer unprofessionalism you, or what ever or who ever it is you represent, have display here consistently over the past 8 months.... Your lack of common courtesy towards another vender is not only exasperating but also getting monotonous…

When composing the group buy I will do everything in my power to make these kits affordable for the group so the initial group of overly satisfied customers will contest to the quality and reliability of this company as well as settle any fears or insecurities instilled by you. Right now all the talking in the world is not going to prove the quality product we have, that is why I’ve been reluctant to post. No matter how much you try to use the wording posted on my site to manipulate potential customers and use fear tactics to get them to refrain from purchasing my product it will not work because

1. RIPP will continue to break records, expand our product line and our customer relations. FACT
2. RIPP has the most reliable forced induction kit in the market. FACT
3. RIPP has a high customer standing and of the high volume of kits sold that is an accurate judge of product volatility, not a person who is trying to tarnish a product that hasn’t even been released yet.

Kits will be sold, customers will be satisfied and until the kit is released you can continue to embarrass yourself or let the kit speak for itself

I refuse to even comment any further on these vague and somewhat childish escapades you display as a company or as an individual!

See you at the track!
RIPPMODS

 

rock on ripp keep us updated on the kit. looking foward to purchasing it.

 

i totally going supercharged.

 

ripp you said, "The Methanol Water injection serves two purposes. 1) Spray a cooling mist into the boost stream and bring the air temps down. 2) The Methanol and water add both air density and octane. The results are a (NOS) time jump in power when triggered (automatically via a digital controller). The system will use very little fluid as the jetting is very fine AND under at least 100psi"

so since it is sprayin into the boost stream does this mean the owner must replace/refill this and if so how often.

 

Gotta love this one

 

That is correct 03RallyLancer. Because the nozzle sprays at an ultra fine mist, it uses a very small amount every time it sprays. The reservoir should be refilled at most once every two months (depending on your driving style). The product that you would use to refill the reservoir is Prestone De-Icer 32 below. This product is a perfect 50/50 blend between water and methanol. It can be found at any local automotive store and retails for around 3 dollars a gallon.

 

I'm not fan of RRM... sorry but I'm not, I'm not anti-RRM, but if I was still intending on going turbo with my Lancer, their kit wasn't high on my list for cost/benefit reasons... but with that and the fact that I no longer have a Lancer (well I have it, but it's up for sale and never driven) I also have no allegiance or affiliation to any of the companies on this forum... so with that being said.

RIPPMODS I think you are a fair bit out of line. I have spent enough time on another forum where every thread turns to garbage due to vendor responses like yours. Boe never directly attacked you or your product and was not negative. He simply raised questions that have not been answered or addressed.

It is also not novice for him to question the method by which you are using the methanol injection. It is completely reasonable to assume based on some of your statements that you were achieving high enough charge temperatures where methanol would be nearly necessary to knock the charge temp down to avoid being at the fringes of detonation.

Also it is typical practice among far too many aftermarket vendors to post horsepower numbers that are not what are achieved with the base kit. You also never addressed his question about the horsepower numbers. Put Simply: Are the numbers you have listed and published on this site for your kit what someone WILL see after installing your kit, without further tuning, modification, or additional parts. Unless that point is true, then you owe us all a slightly more chill response to the questions that are raised.

Frankly I think you guys have done a great job of putting together a fantastic option as far as supercharging for the Lancer community. You are going to simply have to deal with some resistance from the RRM fans because there are a lot of them. But you also have to be mature enough and confident enough in your product to not respond as you have in this thread. I am so very tired of reading too much BS crap and pissing matches between people taking offense over every question of a product.

State facts address people in PM's if you have serious issue with their posts, but for the love of boost check your ego and defensiveness at the login screen.

 

Moving along:

centrifugal chargers do not have a massive improvement in efficiency over a turbo, but yes they can and do run cooler. But where are you sighting the 188 degrees from? What compressor? what flow rate? Where is this arbitrary number coming from? Often sizing a turbo based on its maps and being in it's optimal range for the application can keep the charge temps down near reasonable levels.

It is completely reasonable for any one of us to think and question the necessity of a further addition to an FI system used as a safety measure. What happens if that safety measure clogs or fails? What is the overall reliabilty and safety of the FI system without that measure in place? Completely resonable, for you to say it is not our place to "think" is asinine. So I should plunk down my money, "risk" my engine, and just "trust the experts"?

Grow up please.

Did they put these numbers down without tuning? or after a check and tweak by ripp? That's a totally valid question. So why so defensive over it?
In honesty the humidity of a rainy day can even be beneifical to output and safety due to increased specific heat of the charge air that means it can absorb more thermal energy with a smaller change in air temp (so cooler charge temperatures in the end)... so your statement seems odd to me... Just trying to understand.


For ensuring that the kits you put out are safe and fast is to be absolutely commended. But it is also the responsibilty that any vendor assumes when they produce a product. Otherwise they are not acting in good faith toward the community they are supplying.

Sorry but I don't see that, and I have never really known or talked with boe or had to deal with him in a thread before this one, so frankly I'm a bit shocked by YOUR condescending (you've repeatedly insulted and stated your "superior" responsbility), smug (stating what you've done with other cars, but not admitted to what has been done already with the Lancer by others who did it when it wasn't quite as profitiable and quite a bit iffy when things weren't know), and so forth behavior.

Sorry but is the job of a car community to make sure that people are not getting screwed by vendors. It happens far too often (look.. another 20 hp from a resistor, imagine that!) and we have every right to question and ask about your product. Sorry but very little can be done for the poor guy who buys a kit, doesn't get the results he was told and the vendor says "that's never happened before, must be your installation/car/kit/problem"

WTF?

Yeah, more of the same... giving up on trying to point out where the cattiness is in all this.

You guys HAVE a GREAT product, so try and be GREAT people too and help us out by answering questions politely and intelligently and giving us the information that goes with this kind of thing. Many things are promised by many people, so many questions are asked.

Have some more patience and tact.

 

*SIGH* if ripps can put up a dyno and answer questions that sdhotwn and boe asked... i'll be the first one in cali (i think) with a supercharged lancer by the end of summer